Do you have to say "check" or knock the table at the end if last to act?
Seen many people say or do absolutely nothing but just turn their hand over. Or sometimes they announce their hand whil
The title is a question. If the answer is you don't need to say "check", it's not at showdown. DYCY?
No, it was talking about checking, which you can only do before showdown.
You're twisting things around a lot to convince yourself you're right...
Go back and like your own post again and maybe we'll be convinced.
In over 30 years of dealing I've seen this happen exactly once.
Last to act missed his flush draw and tabled his hand and realized he hit a straight.
He bet and everyone folded.
I was specifically responding to a specific post where you declared that turning your hand over meant you were tabling it and thus entering cards speak territory.
The problem is that cards speak territory is only at showdown. Turning your cards over does not preclude you from acting. Since you can still act, we are not in showdown.
As to the title, it is a question about when you are last to act. Again, if you have not acted (thus you can be last to act) you are not in showdown. So even if I were not responding to a specific misstatement you made, your interpretation of the title is itself wrong.
If you bet and I turn over my hand, did I fold? did I call? did I raise? Are we in the cards speak territory?
Now if you check and I turn over my hand, did I fold? did I check? did I bet? Are we in cards speak territory?
Answer to ALL of those questions are "No". The rule has been quoted for you. Yes, there could be rooms where it is a check by rule (not practice), but based on replies here that would be a rare room, even in tournaments.
So yes by rule you do have to formally check if you are last to act. In practice, many will turn over and consider it a check but that is a practice not a rule. It might be stupid, but they still could bet.
I was specifically responding to a specific post where you declared that turning your hand over meant you were tabling it and thus entering cards speak territory. The problem is that cards speak territory is only at showdown. Turning your cards over does not preclude you from acting. Since you can still act, we are not in showdown.As to the title, it is a question about when yo
But are you actually allowed to bet again with a face up hand? Can't see that going down well
But are you actually allowed to bet again with a face up hand? Can't see that going down well
That’s what everyone has been trying to tell you. Yes, you may turn your cards face up and then bet. It’s not illegal. It’s just incredibly stupid and really bad for your win rate. It will make your opponents happy and make them like playing with you, though.
But are you actually allowed to bet again with a face up hand? Can't see that going down well
Yes you are. Would you like a scenario where this actually makes sense?
Note the scenario I am going to give you may not be allowed everywhere but it is in some places.
Scenario....
You are playing and there is a $10,000 high hand with 5 min left. Both cards must play. You are dealt Ac 2h. You have $15,000 and are the effective stack.
Flop is AsAhAd
You have quad aces with a 2. This is the high hand. But it is incredibly vulnerable because odds are incredibly small that you 2 plays if the board gets completed or even just the turn comes.
So you expose your hand and go all in for $15,000.
No one is going to call you. The only one who might is if someone had 3 to a royal or steel wheel (but even then only a fool does). Even if the current high hand is at your table, he would be paying $15K to win $10k HH.
Thus everyone folds, no turn comes, hand is quickly over, you have the high hand and hope it holds for a few minutes.
I have literally seen something like this done to win a HH. So I know that yes you can bet after exposing your hand.
No one says that in a normal hand it makes any sense to expose your hand and then bet. But being smart and a good strategy is no part of being allowed. The rules allow people to do dumb things.
Yes you are. Would you like a scenario where this actually makes sense? Note the scenario I am going to give you may not be allowed everywhere but it is in some places.Scenario....You are playing and there is a $10,000 high hand with 5 min left. Both cards must play. You are dealt Ac 2h. You have $15,000 and are the effective stack.Flop is AsAhAdYou have quad aces with a 2. Thi
Thank you, I was trying to come up with a plausible scenario where betting with cards exposed actually made sense. I’ve seen similar at low level games where a player just shoved 300 into a $12 pot and everyone just pretty much figured out what was going on and folded. They didn’t expose though until after the hand
Yes you are. Would you like a scenario where this actually makes sense? Note the scenario I am going to give you may not be allowed everywhere but it is in some places.Scenario....You are playing and there is a $10,000 high hand with 5 min left. Both cards must play. You are dealt Ac 2h. You have $15,000 and are the effective stack.Flop is AsAhAdYou have quad aces with a 2. Thi
No way are you allowed to do that without a penalty.
Also if you turn you hand face up on the end the dealer should and will, wrap the table and take it as a check, or announce the hand "pair of 7s" Then the dealer will turn to another player in the hand for the rest of the showdown.
Thank you, I was trying to come up with a plausible scenario where betting with cards exposed actually made sense
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You are completely allowed to. Even if you are penalized what do you think the penalty is? If any it will be a warning. Penalties in cash game aren’t really a thing unless your actions are really out of line.
But yes you absolutely can do what I described. The rules are very clear. Exposing your hand doesn’t preclude further action. I hav seen this exact thing done to lock up hh though normally someone just shoves 500x pot and doesn’t need to expose. But I have seen it happen.
Also if you turn you hand face up on the end the dealer should and will, wrap the table and take it as a check, or announce the hand "pair of 7s" Then the dealer will turn to another player in the hand for the rest of the showdown.
Dealers don’t wrap (sic) the table for check. But even if they they did you can stop them correct them and act if you speak up immediately. Protecting your hand means much more than physically protecting your cards.
I've never seen anyone on the forums more sure of himself even when everyone else tells them he's wrong.
Exactly what rule would that break?
Dealers don’t wrap (sic) the table for check. But even if they they did you can stop them correct them and act if you speak up immediately. Protecting your hand means much more than physically protecting your cards.
Some of them do actually. They do the same thing that they do when about to deal another card or do the knock thing.
You may not have watched enough poker in your time.
Some of them do actually. They do the same thing that they do when about to deal another card or do the knock thing.
You may not have watched enough poker in your time.
You doing it in your two self dealt bar tournaments doesn’t man it is the procedure in professional card rooms and casinos.
They rap before dealing the next card for a specific reason. Ask a real dealer why as there are plenty here if you would listen. Maybe you see it when someone has a brain fart or a poorly trained dealer but it is not done per procedure. Believe it or not but dealer movements are precisely orchestrated with reasons for each.
You doing it in your two self dealt bar tournaments doesn’t man it is the procedure in professional card rooms and casinos. They rap before dealing the next card for a specific reason. Ask a real dealer why as there are plenty here if you would listen. Maybe you see it when someone has a brain fart or a poorly trained dealer but it is not done per procedure. Believe it or not
nope, saw on Poker after dark. The dealer indicated that the last player had checked by doing the normal check thing they'd do if there was another card to come. do keep up
But not viewing something he saw on the tv, unlike others on here who claim something "never" happens.
Your def have a reading comprehension problem or did you not see “Maybe you see it…”. I specifically did not say never but your seeing it once, as a minor error does not make it normal.
Seriously, ask a true professional dealer if that is procedure in the room(s) they work(ed). Then ask them why they do it before dealing the next card and not after a final check.
Your def have a reading comprehension problem or did you not see “Maybe you see it…”. I specifically did not say never but your seeing it once, as a minor error does not make it normal.
Seriously, ask a true professional dealer if that is procedure in the room(s) they work(ed). Then ask them why they do it before dealing the next card and not after a final check.
or the dealer says "check"
