Rate my play - AKo 5/10/20
Rate my play. Solid? Overplay? What would you differently? What mistakes?
Hero (CO) late 40’s WM winning image. Up about
Why would we assume villain has no bluff 4!s when he has shown 63o 3 times after 4-betting?
Is it a good play for villain to fold a big pair here? It isn't like it is deep and multiway in a single raised pot on wet medium or low board. The SPR was about 1.2 on the flop. You have QQ and the flop is 853 2-flush. It isn't like it was AKx or T97 3-flush or something like that.
Because I don't believe this actually happened. I'm sorry, the first thing I would remember is some dude 4b bluffing 63o THREE times.
Yep.
Chatter box and dumb favorite hands aside, I really think we can mostly ignore any specific read beyond him being mid-50's, loose, sticky, and stuck 150 BB's (which doesn't seem like that much when expressed this way).
If that's our read, and he bet-4B's more than 1/4 of his stack pre, we should know we have zero fold equity pre, and probably none on this flop. We all could have mentally checked out at "loose rec 4B's pre, playing 110 BB's eff", and /thread this mofo.
It's optimistic to think V is folding enough of his range on the turn at a high enough frequency to make this line +EV. I wouldn't bet this guy is over-folding turn to 2x pot after he 4B's pre.
It's not the turn jam by itself. I think that's probably the highest EV play available once we pick up the BDFD and V checks. It's everything we did before that, going all the way back to the 3.75x size of our 3B, when we're only 110BB's effective.
I love targeting this V with intelligent exploits. I think it would have been flatting with AKo in position, or just min-clicking it to make sure the BTN and blinds fold, with a plan to insta-muck if he 4B's, unless he gets cute and just clicks it back, in which case we'd have to call, but still over-fold on this flop.
Like, c'mon, he's loose-sticky. Shake all the change out of his pockets when we have thick value, but for cryin' out loud, don't bluff this geezer.
Circling back to whether or not V learned anything leading up to this hand, let's not forget the "I'm due to win one" mentality which must surely apply here, and which likely strangles the life out of any inkling of "I went broke this way an hour ago."
Everyone got very worked up about the 63o which is presumably rhetorical but if he's opening anything close to as wide as that then I'd just cheerfully jam preflop and that be the end of it.
If I was villain with QQ, this would be a dream flop, 853. Disconnected, no overcards, no middle cards to make sets. Hero should be shoving AA/KK preflop with 1.2x pot behind. So I would not be looking to fold at all. The turn was a bad card, making a possible flush and a possible set of tens. However, I wouldn't be looking to fold.
I mean fold pre against many players who fit this description. If I call, I wouldn't fold to 15% on the flop.
as played jamming the turn is whatever this is obviously our best bluff candidate. V overcalls but eliminating all bluffs because V overcalls is adjusting too much in one direction.
however the part of the hand I don't necessarily love is PF.
what is V type - stuck, tilted, sticky
what does 3bet accomplish
knock out the button and the blinds most of the time - OK
get villain to fold - mostly the parts of his range that we want him to continue with (junky Ax/Kx stuff)
gets villain to stack off/4bet - sometimes. do we like that? no.
bloats the pot - do we need to play a 3bet pot to stack this V pf in spots where he's way behind when he's starting with 110 straddles? doesn't seem like it.
i think 3betting, especially a relatively large 3bet, we fold out a lot of the Ax/Kx hands we want this player type to take post flop so we can stack him.
the adjustment vs player type that I would usually make here is to actually flat AK in the CO or BTN and look to backraise if the blinds squeeze.
and play a bit cautious when it goes multiway.
I like a nice chunky 3bet in position with AK here against players that are fit/fold post flop where we just reliably take it down with a cbet when they whiff. not to bloat SPR into a 2 street game against a tilted player who is sticky with wired pairs.
i DID forget to mention he has shown 63o as a bluff (in 4bet pots) at least 3 times. in this session. does that help the read
A fairly significant omission, though ap, he snap calls the turn shove with bottom pair after putting you on exactly what you had…🙄
I don’t play nearly this high but agree the key point in the hand was the big 3bet pf.
I clearly misplayed the hand on player profile basis.
I def need to take tendencies as part of my decisions going forward. Thanks guys
It is not just player profile. It would be just awful for villain to x/f QQ or JJ in this spot.
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