1/2, $525 deep: JJ UTG vs 3bet + 2 fish callers
$1/$2 live, 6-handed, ~$525 effective.
UTG fish straddles to $5.
Hero UTG opens JJ to $15.
UTG2 (rec who just moved to our table with $1500+) 3bets to $65.
Loose CO and BTN whale both cold call.
Hero calls.
Pot ~$260.
Flop: K73r
Hero checks, UTG2 cbets $125, CO calls, Hero ?
Main question is about preflop.
Pre I thought flatting JJ was best because:
* UTG open vs UTG2 3bet range is usually pretty strong at 1/2
* didn’t want to 4bet/get it in vs QQ+/AK
* wanted to keep the loose callers in
Does anyone prefer 4b jam preflop given the dead money?
4 Replies
Can we get away opening larger in a straddled pot in this game? $15 seems likely to just have us playing a bloated pot OOP against a lot of callers.
AP, never 4-betting here. Unless he's got serious winner's tilt, his range should be something like the other JJ+/AK.
Not going to comment on post, as I saw results. Reminder not to post them in your OP please, even if they aren't your main question.
You played it fine, now fold. Preflop you’re set mining or trying to get to showdown cheap against Vs holding AQ, 99, QT on the K73 runout. Never 4bet into three players. With some better reads, I would shove with QQ.
Folding now, obviously. Pre, I'm OK getting it in with a 4! at 105 straddles vs the described V. All comes down to our perception of their 3! UTG1 range. I think they're wider than Garick does. I definitely don't think they're at KK+ and a few bluff combos (AJo,A4s/A5s) like I saw some 6max HJ 3! chart stating.
H is debating sticking in 510 to win a total pot of 525 + 525 + 130 or 1180. (Assuming blinds + straddle got raked). H therefore needs 43.2%. I'm giving big winner/new to the table, something like TT+/AQ, with maybe some other bluffier combos too. But even vs the above, H is 46.8%. They're certainly not calling most of those combos either.
I don't have time right now to break it down by % of call 4! range, but I wouldn't be surprised if you most often win ~200 rake free here. Ofc, sometimes (~20%,) they have AA/KK, and we feel like an idiot.
What are the stack sizes of the two cold callers? You don't have a stack to scare +2 but the others may do.
I think preflop call is just about OK. Depending on flop texture, the multiway situation may make it less likely for +2 to blast off with AK so you might manage to make it to showdown (or fold to significant action). You don't really have much room to manoeuvre though with the SPR, so it's a bit of a hybrid between a pure set-mine and deciding what to do on a low board (probably still fold mostly). You're getting 5/1 on a call closing the action so I think for that price you can probably just make it more or less a setmine.
Jamming probably depends on whether you have any reads at all other than "rec" which on its own doesn't work massively in your favour. Would be more inclined to do that with QQ+ and AK, adding in a few more suited hands (AQs, A5s) if you think+2 is wider than the normal rec for some reason.
