Deep Stacked facing check raise on wet flop with the nuts

OP - if there's something to learn from this hand, I'd suggest it's thinking through your options based on your read of V and what you think are the table dynamics / her possible read on you:

Take that read, and apply it to the situation on the flop. We think she's solid. She shows down "real" hands. She may think we're weak passive.

If she's solid, she's probably not raising with air / for no reason. But also, if she's solid, she may be able to fold some good hands if we 3B.

If she shows down "real" hands, then, logically, if we 3B-jam and she calls, she's likely to have a hand with a lot of equity, even vs our nutted hands.

If she has us marked as weak / passive, and we take a very aggressive line, she may over-fold, assuming that we're going to be at the top of our range when we bet-3B-jam.

The debate in this thread has mostly been about the highest EV action on the flop. Speaking for myself, the reads matter when I'm trying to figure out the best play. Give me a different V, my opinion may change.

Once we get the reveal that she has QTo, I wonder if you may be giving opponents too much credit for being "good" players, perhaps based on just a few observations / showdowns. It's easy to look like a crusher if someone just catches a good run of cards.

If we were watching this hand play out, we might form the opinion that she's not all that solid, and instead think she's loose-passive pre, and LAG or even somewhat spewy post. If V posted this hand from her perspective, I doubt anyone here would advise her to raise flop or call your 3B-jam with QTo.

If you see her at the table again, I'd keep this hand in mind. I'd adjust by under-bluffing against her, over-folding marginal hands when she shows aggression, but otherwise fast-play nutted hands if she shows interest, and go for max value if she responds to our aggression with aggression of her own.

Hope that helps.

Yea after that reveal my opinion of her completely changed. I think she does have solid preflop ranges and fundamentals but I probably gave her too much credit because she had like $4k in front of her and she wasn’t limp calling. I am personally never 6x with that holding and I am folding to the 3b jam for 200bb+.

Appreciate your wisdom and insights and time responding thoughtfully within this post.

I didn’t feel too outmatched sitting down at this table. I imagine weekday $2/5 grinders will absolutely wreck me. But I think I may sit in on $2/5 on weekend nights and stick with $1/3 on weekdays unless the $2/5 tables look weak. I think getting more reps at $2/5 even if I am probably breakeven or marginally losing at best will help improve my game and comfort. I definitely have some areas to tighten up before my next session.

Sounds right.

This hand is a little weird because she's repping a really strong hand on the flop, but she really shouldn't have many, if any really strong hands if she's solid, based on her pre-flop actions.

Assuming she 3B's TT+/AK and more (including worse) pre, she doesn't have any straights or sets in range, and would seem pretty capped at QT, JT, and maybe sometimes QJ. But really none of those hands should raise, at least not pure, I wouldn't think, when we can have all the sets and straights here.

This is why I recommended we click it. When our read is that she's solid, it seems very likely she's getting out of line for some reason, and would be very likely to fold to a jam, unless she somehow shows up with something that either could have 3B pre yet didn't, or some hand that's behind yet has a ton of equity to improve to a better hand.

If our read is right, I'd expect her to over-fold to a jam, and only call with hands that are doing well against ours. When she shows QTo, we have to re-assess our read.