can we all agree now that Dwan played this hand bad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoLbBA0K...
Tom says it's standard ... I'm not an expert but it does seem a bit odd to shove when so deep and get snapped by everything beating or flipping with you.
Blinds were 150/300 with a stack 20,000. So stack off HU with TT 66bb deep is standard... But on the other hand you have uber passive nit* who played limp/3b.
*No offence to PH. This is how his player profile should be defined.
Hilarious comments at the end 😀
Back when this video was made people knew Phil was tight but not necessarily what we know today, for that reason I think it was an ok ship of 1010, or at the very least not a terrible play. Heck, who knows... you could accidentily get Phil to fold KK
Back when this video was made people knew Phil was tight but not necessarily what we know today, for that reason I think it was an ok ship of 1010, or at the very least not a terrible play. Heck, who knows... you could accidentily get Phil to fold KK
haha. no way he's folding anything, probably not even the other two tens.
especially at this point in time in online HUNL shoving TT here at this stack depth was super standard
TT+ you just tried to stack off with no matter what the action was
that's assuming even money flipaments though... you could make an argument in a big final table MTT where 1st and 2nd place payout is way skewed that you don't stack off here if you think you have big edge against your opponent postflop and can pick spots and whittle your opponent down
in a televised NBC donkament invitational early stage you're putting it in tho
either cruise thru to the next round or GTFO and play any of the many great games you have available to you
what is phil, a known nit who likes to trap reasonably limp rr with there that is not flipping or crushing TT?
Were these 2/3 matches or just the final?
especially at this point in time in online HUNL shoving TT here at this stack depth was super standard
TT+ you just tried to stack off with no matter what
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in a televised NBC donkament invitational early stage you're putting it in tho
either cruise thru to the next round or GTFO and play any of the many great games you have available to you
This all day
what is phil, a known nit who likes to trap reasonably limp rr with there that is not flipping or crushing TT?
just because dwan is not playing a maximally exploitative strategy doesn't mean the hand is played bad
if dwan and phil played 200 HUSNGs after this in a row the same day in the same era of poker you would be a fool to bet on phil to come out the winner
and if dwan got it in as a flip and lost he was just going to go online and 4 table laliberte and have higher $EV than playing the NBC donkament lol
i never said it was played badly, i'm just saying that knowing what we know about phil, i think it's a fold rather than a jam
yeah would agree with that, either way stacks are going in on that flop or river anyway so it's a pretty moot point
but that dwan/hellmuth hand aside doug has spoken at length about how phil's check/bet is so underbluffed that he had to fold 2nd nuts there to him and only to him
how anyone else could be doing that with a combo draw or set but phil would only do that with QT because he just nut peddles
just because dwan is not playing a maximally exploitative strategy doesn't mean the hand is played bad if dwan and phil played 200 HUSNGs after this in a row the same day in the same era of poker you would be a fool to bet on phil to come out the winnerand if dwan got it in as a flip and lost he was just going to go online and 4 table laliberte and have higher $EV than playing
Terrible take.
Go back and watch some of the limited videos that still exist of Dwan vs Isildur or Jungleman HU and see how badly he played. I'm going to guess that you weren't even around during that era of poker and are just saying random **** to downplay Hellmuth's skill level because for some reason you think you are better than him which is nowhere near the case. Dwan obv wasn't taking this very seriously, but to say his 4bet jamming TT vs Hellmuth's BTN l/rr range of likely QQ+ isn't a punt is a bit insane. Hellmuth was completely right about his fake live timing tell, Dwan figured he was up against AK/AQ or at least no better pairs and was right to call it off rather than considering that Hellmuth only has QQ+ no matter what his timing was.
Hellmuth vs a noncaring Dwan live back then would be at minimum like -110 over 200 HUSNGs to have come out ahead.
Did anyone ever estimate just how much in total Laliberte, through his several screen names, donated to the high-stakes online regs back in the day?
Guy Laliberte: The Man Who Lost $31Milli...
Take a look at HSDB's overall results and you'll see that no single account comes close to Gus Hansen's when it comes to online losses, sitting as it does at a staggering -$20,737,007 - double that of the next losingest account. However, Gus is by no means the biggest online loser - that dubious honour goes to Canadian billionaire Cirque Du Soleil founder and philanthropist, Guy Laliberte, whose combined accounts (that we know of) have lost in excess of $31M between 2006 and 2012.
Still, as this figure represents less than 3% of Laliberte's net worth, and is actually $4m less than he spent on his 2009 12 day tourist trip into space at least he can afford it!
it's kinda funny how many of the people the tv cameras focused on and called professional players were in fact the marks
gus (sold a danish poker room to betfair for 15 million and then did well himself and got a highly lucrative ftp sponsorship)
eli owned 20+ photo development places in vegas that were notorious for overcharging tourists who then had the choice between overpaying or losing their photos
sammy - family owned a chain of grocery stores and moved on into real estate, his dad was a prominent surgeon
nowadays it feels like we don't even have a perky type persona anymore, it's more just anonymous crypto bros who show up briefly and then bounce
ie perkins is kind of the new guy but even he has probably lost <10 million and mostly in private cash games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoLbBA0K...
Tom says it's standard ... I'm not an expert but it does seem a bit odd to shove when so deep and get snapped by everything beating or flipping with you.
Have you ever played a turbo heads up sit and go?
it's kinda funny how many of the people the tv cameras focused on and called professional players were in fact the marksgus (sold a danish poker room to betfair for 15 million and then did well himself and got a highly lucrative ftp sponsorship)eli owned 20+ photo development places in vegas that were notorious for overcharging tourists who then had the choice between overpayin
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Terrible take.Go back and watch some of the limited videos that still exist of Dwan vs Isildur or Jungleman HU and see how badly he played. I'm going to guess that you weren't even around during that era of poker and are just saying random **** to downplay Hellmuth's skill level because for some reason you think you are better than him which is nowhere near the case. Dwan obv w
It had nothing to do with the "fake timing tell". Dwan had TT and was always going to ship it here like he would against anyone -right or wrong.
PH just thinks he's a genius for getting AA vs TT HU.
Aside, from the hand Hellmuth was right by the way when he said Dwan would not be around in a few years. He could see that Dwan's style was unsound, playing all sort of junk hands, not just HU.
Wow that’s crazy, thx for posting that.
I don’t remember, did Guy do ok on the televised High Stakes Poker episodes? He was a semi-regular for a season or two iirc.
Wow that’s crazy, thx for posting that.
I don’t remember, did Guy do ok on the televised High Stakes Poker episodes? He was a semi-regular for a season or two iirc.
I think he was making some big games. There was a thread here about French businessman in Bobby's Room. He was a huge whale. Probably a wealthy amateur who played worse than pretty much any grinder.
Guy was (is) so rich that he got benyamine to shove 600k w/ a naked FD , called with top 2 then when he saw David literally having a panic attack gave him the option to take it back and he got to keep the original raise. Benyamine agreed to this. Guy said, "this means nothing to me, but for you...I know its a lot". Yea, it was probably half his roll at the time.
30 million over 6 years is im sure enough to bother him (I think he came out at one point and said he felt the pros were ganging up on him), but his bottom line ain't hurting that bad.
The Benyamine hand really makes you realize the difference between being a high stakes poker pro that has a nice life and someone who is truly wealthy.
