USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
who said anything about nukes? I want Palestine free, not nuked.
incidentally, its only your boys, the genocidal religious supremacist freaks from Israel, that own nukes in the ME.
you said you agree with Israel being destroyed in response to us talking about iran possibly getting nukes. your words not mine. we all knew you felt this way but I never expected you to say it.
and why is Shia Islam a "vanguard" of anti-Imperialism .
Probably because their society is incapable of being imperial and its not for a lack of trying. I don't think a shia islam country has won an offensive war in 200 years. but they sure tried!
Iran’s exact nuclear capabilities and their ability to threaten the continental US is debatable.
Yeah, because you know better than US intelligence agencies do, amirite?
Yeah, because you know better than US intelligence agencies do, amirite?
However, saying Iran is not a threat (to the US I’m assuming) is idiotic and obviously no security or military experts said such a thing.
Imminent threat. That's literally the only reason to invade. You don't invade based on muh feels of what you think may happen 10+ years in the future, and Trump's own intelligence agencies said Iran posed no imminent threat and are at least 10 years away from being able to pose an imminent threat. Put some bandages on those knuckles, man.
I think people are saying it because they believe it to be true. If these were two countries of equal size and equal military resources then one could state easily that the US is winning.But, when you are the most powerful country in the world, and you have pounded the crap out of another country (to the point where the other country has no airforce or navy), and that other co
Victory in war is often confusing. In the context of storytelling, war is often gamified to very simple strategic outcomes. In part because it makes them easier to understand, in part because it makes for easier storytelling. In such an understanding, war is like chess: Each side plays the same game, follows very similar rules, victory conditions are permanent and scoring is objective. In reality, victory in war is far more difficult to pin down. The sides are not necessarily playing the same game, they do not necessarily follow the same rules, victory conditions are fluid and scoring is at best partially objective, but often subjective and often inconsistent.
Still, for the context of discussion and analysis, we do need some kind of understanding of what the goals are. Which is what armchair historians and generals like to do, so that works out.
For Iran, victory would be for the regime to survive and survive well enough to be able to maintain power after the war ends for the foreseeable future. For the US, victory would be for Trump to not grow more unpopular and for Hegseth to be able to keep up his online masochismo.
Beyond that, none of the involved players matter enough to warrant much of a discussion. Iranians that give a **** about the plight of Iranians are not the one pulling the strings in Iran, and politicians that give a **** about the US are not the ones making decisions in Washington.
you said you agree with Israel being destroyed in response to us talking about iran possibly getting nukes. your words not mine. we all knew you felt this way but I never expected you to say it.and why is Shia Islam a "vanguard" of anti-Imperialism . Probably because their society is incapable of being imperial and its not for a lack of trying. I don't think a shia islam countr
I think I have been pretty clear for years now that I want Israel gone but anyway...
these were your words
well when it comes to nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorist religious fanatics who threatened to destroy their neighbor
those words describe Israel and not Iran. the only religious freaks with nukes in the area is Israel.
I don't think a shia islam country has won an offensive war in 200 years. but they sure tried!
when did they try? like seriously, when has any Shia country or even non-country waged an offensive war?
Then why hasn't isreal used their nukes on Palestinian's?
Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988) Iran’s continuation of the war to "export the revolution" and overthrow Saddam Hussein is viewed by historians as an extended offensive action.
Syrian Civil War (2011–2024) Iran, along with Hezbollah and Iraqi Shia militias, intervened to support Bashar al-Assad's Alawite-dominated government against Sunni-led rebels
Yemen Civil War (2014–Present) The Houthi movement, a Shia group supported by Iran, seized the capital Sanaa in 2014 and launched offensives against the recognized government.
Hezbollah Actions (Lebanon) Hezbollah, a powerful Shia militia and political party, operates independently of the Lebanese state, initiating conflicts with Israel, most notably in 2006, and acting as a regional proxy for Iran.
Post-2003 Iraq Conflict Following the removal of Saddam Hussein, Shia-dominated governments and militias in Iraq (such as the Mahdi Army) have acted to consolidate power, often resulting in conflict with Sunni populations.
the difference is iran lost all these wars
just like the sickman of europe lost all its wars before it
Then why hasn't isreal used their nukes on Palestinian's?Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988) Iran’s continuation of the war to "export the revolution" and overthrow Saddam Hussein is viewed by historians as an extended offensive action.Syrian Civil War (2011–2024) Iran, along with Hezbollah and Iraqi Shia militias, intervened to support Bashar al-Assad's Alawite-dominated government agai
none of those are "offensive wars". stop being disingenuous. esp rich to include the Iran Iraq war where they got ****ing invaded lol.
also funny cite Hezbollah, who were strong enough to drive the invading Israeli colonists out and at that point could have easily taken over all of Lebanon but instead opted for a pluralist democratic country. in fact, given their military power, popular support, and the Shia majority in Lebanon, they have the strength to take over at any time. but they dont...wonder why.
It took me 4 years to realize it
are we more or fewer "weeks away" from winning than Iran was to getting [strike]nukes[/strike] [strike]nuclear material[/strike] weapons-grade-enrichment-capability?
when you are the most powerful country in the world, and you have pounded the crap out of another country (to the point where the other country has no airforce or navy), and that other country is standing you up for peace talks, you are probably not winning.
the problem here is what "winning" looks like
the closest we got from this admin was essentially "regime change", which they have apparently given up on and now we're fingers crossed for the Obama deal
the fact that 25 years from now we'll have an entire new generation of holy warriors does not factor into the calculus, neither does the present-day cost of human life, the global economic disruption, nor the final obliteration of US hegemony
I guess if you predicted the Gaza genocide, Madeiro kidnapping, Iranian invasion, Lebanon ethnic cleansing all happening.
I was very much on the same Russia is not really threatened train.
The United States lost aerial equipment worth up to $2.8bn, according to a US-based think tank.
Well, it was worth it to open the strait, topple the regime, and destroy their uranium. Oh, wait.......
Victor is lost on the concept of bad guys and worse guys. If there are bad guys, then the other guys have to be good guys, right?
the problem here is what "winning" looks likethe closest we got from this admin was essentially "regime change", which they have apparently given up on and now we're fingers crossed for the Obama dealthe fact that 25 years from now we'll have an entire new generation of holy warriors does not factor into the calculus, neither does the present-day cost of human life, the global
These people live for holy war. They believe the more chaos there is the closer they are to the return of the Messiah. This is why they can’t have a nuclear weapon. They already showed they will take the “ nuclear option” closing the Straight of Hormuz.
Winning is making sure Iran never gets a nuclear weapon. It’s destroying Its capability to mass produce ballistic weapons. It’s eliminating Irans capability to blackmail the world. It’s creating an environment where people/nations feel comfortable doing business in this region.
