MTT bust out and preflop all in filter ..

MTT bust out and preflop all in filter ..

Hi guys, I'm trying to improve my game and I'm always wondering how to evaluate the decisions made that cost us the stack, especially preflop bust out and all in situations, how many do we need to have to make it a positive result for our ranges? What values ​​should we keep, what conclusions should we draw, and what room for improvement do we have.? placed only a few months, even if the direction with more hands and slightly more serious in the negative, the gap widens..




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How can we reduce the gap? And improve the profit... to be clear... in the development of my game now it makes little sense to recover 1 ev BB / 100 from Mp for example, if I can recover 5 from bb, the easier it is the more hands played the more ev (less effort, more result) I would like to have an idea if something can be recovered here too...
Thanks in advance to anyone who wants to share their thoughts.
TY!!!

24 April 2026 at 09:36 AM
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Hi puggimar, so I don't know why you're looking for information in the forums when everyone knows that no one would help you because they have to sell hours of coaching, especially average to poor players who can't win at the tables so they teach... I'm not a coach because I prefer to play... however I believe that it is variance in a correct mathematical world in the all in prefolp the yellow and the gray (blue) would tend to be very close... in the bust out the green should follow the yellow... you will find many players who will be even, few who will have it above, but those who differ are those with a bad runn... the problem is that in poker few will answer you because those who win often have a good runn so they will tend to have a smaller gap... while those designated accounts can have similar runs even for years depending on the AFS and the edge they have at the table. obviously imo. I hope I answered, I'm sorry to see hypocrisy in forums like these... if they need you, they'll use you, otherwise you're worthless... hang in there, you have to build mass to get through these tough times!!


by mauitimeiuu

Hi puggimar, so I don't know why you're looking for information in the forums when everyone knows that no one would help you because they have to sell hours of coaching, especially average to poor players who can't win at the tables so they teach...

Do you even read the forum or do just get angry at your imaginary version of it?


by puggimar

Hi guys, I'm trying to improve my game and I'm always wondering how to evaluate the decisions made that cost us the stack, especially preflop bust out and all in situations, how many do we need to have to make it a positive result for our ranges?

I am not entirely clear on what you are asking with the rest of your post, but to this question and some of the information I see:

We bust out of far more tournaments than we win, so our results on all-in and called hands would tend to lean negative.

It may also be natural to have negative EV on all-in bustout hands, since the times we shove as a short stack and are called, it is usually by a better hand.

All in all, I am not really seeing anything in the numbers that suggests you have any problem to fix. If you think you are making mistakes, post some specific examples and maybe we can tackle those.


In the meantime, I thank both of you for your replies.. @nath @Maui I absolutely believe that being in the negative is an obvious consequence of the filter, but mine was a comparative request to understand what to expect... if I put the chips won at the showdown of 6k + tournaments from last year, the gray or blue line continues to move away from the yellow one.. Anyway, thank you!!!

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