77 in the HJ: Make a flanking attack on the artillery in the chip fortress?

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If you were as deep as villain is it might be worth considering.

I might be missing something as I’m not sure the positions. The key part is not the loose, but the ‘passive’ guy just bet big.

So this is to 20 and you have 340. If the limpers are going to call, you can maybe call, because you will be getting good immediate odds. It also depends on how much villain has QQ+, which will likely pay you off if you hit. It is going to be hard to continue when you miss, even if you might be ahead.

I must be missing something. Did V act out of turn or did he raise in turn and action is on you?

If the answer is that he raised out of turn, I would call and allow his action to stand, then see how many other people call before deciding whether to call myself.

Then limp/reevaluate.

If we think he legitimately didn't realize action was still on us, it seems like a marginal spot in which we can raise or fold, and the EV's would seem to be pretty close. If he looks like he wants to make it $50, and we believe him, I wouldn't over-limp, unless I was planning to back-raise, and the stack depth is kind of awkward to make that move. We need to be shorter, like $150-$200, or deeper, like $750+.

If we think he knew it was our turn to act, his motion to raise big is an obvious tell indicating weakness, and I would want to raise to an even bigger size than whatever we were first considering. If he not only motioned to raise out of turn, but he also did so in a way that seemed directed towards us, like an attempt to intimidate us, that's also a tell indicating weakness.

I'd expect him to have some sort of speculative hand that just wants to see a cheap flop. If we would have made it $15, now I'd make it $25-$30, expecting him to tank before deciding what to do, and confirming our suspicion that he's weak.

Unfortunately we're not deep enough to set mine if he 3B's, unless he just clicks it. So if he 3B's anything more than 2X, I'd give him credit and fold.

If he calls, proceed with caution on the flop. I might go for the trap by checking with a flopped set on a dry, disconnected board. Otherwise, just check and maybe go for a delayed c-bet on the turn if he checks back. I'd probably only bet if we flop a set on a draw-heavy board, and I'd bet big, looking to play a two-street game and get it all in on clean turns.

Alternatively, we can just over-limp. Our middling PP's play fine post flop and multi-way.

If he was faking the raise and just limps along, we'll have some more info about his hand strength. If he follows through with the raise, we'll get to see what the remaining players do, and if it goes multi-way, we'll have the best relative position post.

I'd be interested to see if he does raise, but he raises to a smaller size than whatever he looked like he was going to do. In that scenario, I'd think he was weak and just screwing around with a speculative hand. I would be very tempted to back-raise huge, and I might just jam.

We have 77. I don't understand the urge to show aggression here. We can limp and we will have relative position by allowing the CO's raise to stand. So with our exact hand we can evaluate whether we want to set mine. But also, I would do this with virtually any hand I wasn't already going to fold. If I had a big pair or AK I would limp so I could trap other people's calls in the middle before 3betting. I might open-fold certain marginal hands that I would normally have raised the limpers with, but that's it. I would never cancel his action by raising. I don't get what the downside of limping here is at all.

I agree with this from the crusher exactly. Limp or fold your whole range here, but particularly limp 77. With AA/KK at least limp/3!. If it is going to be HU, than after putting in 2, fold rather than put in another 18.

Villain acting out of turn and large is a huge tell, but that doesn't mean we should always fold a pp.

Results

Hero raises 15. Everyone folds.

Called it.

Playing a limped pot with 77 is probably more profitable than taking the blinds.

It wouldn't be a limped pot if V decides to raise or someone squeezes behind us. V acted like he was going to make it $50.

Do we want to limp-call a potential $50 raise, or raise to $15 and possibly just take it down pre with no rake?

I read this wrong thinking we were facing a $50 bet - but if you’re an aggressive player you see the chip grab a lot trying to slow you down. Well done adonson.

I thought swinging ten red chips was a strong-is-weak tell. Usually, he just grabbed his two whites without swinging. This time he was saying: you don’t want to raise me because I’m about to throw 50 into the pot.

I think limping 77 multiway oop on tables with calling stations is fine . I wanted here to play in position heads up with a bluffing hand, and I thought a bet would get the CO and the BTN to fold.

Would people raise 88 in the HJ facing two limpers? Are you limping also 99?