You should get more chips the earlier you register

I agree with you. When I first started playing tournaments, players who registered late either had to take a stack that had already been blinded out, or suffered some other later registration penaly to their stack.

But allowing people to register late with no penalty increased the field sizes and was thus more profitable for the tournament organizer. And a lot of pros like max late-regging to optimize their time and get an ICM advantage. So there’s really no incentive on either side to change the rule.

I will say that one good thing that’s come out of this is that tournament now almost always start in time. When I first started playing, tournament organizers would often delay the start just to get more people registered and seated.

Unlimited Rebuys have hurt the game of poker in countless ways.

They do. When you register on time, you might get 100BB. When you max late reg, you might only get 5.

I said chips not BB though

some of the apps have ''early bird'' promos where if you register early you start with extra chips

I'd argue that it has completely ruined the circuit events. It's just guys buying in 10-15 times trying to have the most rings. Last event I played one of the ring leaders spent more time in the registration line than he did playing.

I don't see how people punting like this trying to get a stupid tin ring is bad for everyone else.

They just need to lower late reg. It goes on for way too long nowadays.

When guys are punting I'm sure it adds EV to the players, but it also adds even more variance to MTT's. Those guys are very good at closing with big stacks and then you have the high rake and the expenses of the circuit in general to factor in. That's not even taking into account any form of collusion or cheating from our fierce competitors.

When a substantial portion of the field is max-late regging, it ruins the structure of the tournament.

If a lot of players register at a level in which 75% of the field has been eliminated and the starting stack is now 10 BBs, it essentially transforms a tournament that is meant to have an average stack of 40 BBs into a tournament in which the effective stack in most hands is now only 10 BBs. It turns a deep-stacked tournament in a shove-fest.

I played the final flight of a live $3k last week that had 6 x day 1 starting flights. One guy fired 14 bullets in that final flight alone and didn't bag. Don't know how many he fired in the first 5 flights but I didn't mind him sitting at my table open shoving blind. I didn't see it as ruining the event. Quite the contrary actually.

It just depends what youre after. I enjoy freezeout tournaments because I like the pressure it puts on people to protect their chips. There's more strategy to it imo.

Sure. some idiot coming in and just burning 4 buy ins by open shoving 15bbs is maybe good for you (if you can benefit in that moment). But it changes the dynamic of what a tournament is supposed to be about.

I understand why others do like em, but I always hated rebuy tournaments.

I think most of the people who cashed at 1.5k PLO wsop, 80% of them max late REGD lmao.

Yea PLO is the perfect game to do this. Personally, I enjoy playing. I feel the weaker players generally register on time so there's good opportunities to get chips from them too.

As an alternative to more chips, I was looking at tournaments at Aria this weekend and they give a discount on the rake for buying in on time. This mostly works for high buy in tournaments, but could be applied in some way to smaller ones I guess. More chips is good too.

yeah I think reduced rake or adding extra 5bb+ for early reg is fine

or we can just not allow for super late reg lol but i get casinos need to make money. I think allowing 3-4 rebuys are a bit worse than late reg but what do I know. late reg is fine but i think the day 2 late reg is weird

I always disliked late reg and stopped playing mtts when they went this route. More chips for starting players is a good idea though.

The rational fix would be to make players indifferent between early and late regging.

The site could simply make an ICM calculation (or at least approximate it) and decrease the late reggers stack to match the ICM value of the buyin.

I think the rake reduction idea is better than reducing someone’s stack. Changing people’s starting stack can be confusing because it becomes difficult to know how many chips are in play in the tournament, which can facilitate cheating. The best idea is just to limit late reg to like the first two hours of the tournament, but clearly this isn’t profitable for the casinos.

I wish we could at least stop with the “Day 2” entries, like WSOP Main for example. But I know a lot of players like this, and again the tourny host is incentivized to maximize entries.

I never play live so I was mostly talking about online where you automatically know how many chips are in play.
Most sites/casinos wouldn't want to decrease the starting rake, so the more likely solution is that you increase the rake slightly every blind level or something.

In any case, the main point is to make the players indifferent between regging late and early.

sounds like a great incentive to ensure tournaments stay small

if you don't like late reg then make it so you need to reg before it starts or not at all or can only reg during first round or two - punishing late reggers with less chips is not a solution - it's a very transparent "how can i, someone who early regges gain an advantage"

The other thing that is weird for something like the WSOP, they are not consistent. Late reg is not always open up until the level where you come in with X number of blinds. Its time based often regardless of starting stack or level length, Some max late reg you come in with 20 bbs, some its 17, or 15 or 12. It would at least be better if it was late reg always ends when you come in with X # BBs.

I know others may not agree, but if I buy into a tournaments for 1k and 1st is still 300k instead of 450k, thats still enough for me. Its worth it to me to get rid of late registration.

As the above pointed out, an 8 hour late reg in a 1 or even 2 day tourney is abosulutely ridiculous. 4 levels max. And if their going to charge more then dont up the rake, up the amount towards the buy! The hosts make the same either way.