1-3 A-10o 3bet spot post
Hey all, from last weekend got a hand that was awkward to say least.
Ok got $500 and kinda like annoyed after 5-6 hr session going poorly. 1-3. Table is soft as always.
Ok older guy opens to $15 from mp, haven’t seen him play a hand but also hasn’t been at table. This black guy on button flats- he’s like lope splashy weak (clueless rec- call far too wide in spots he shouldn’t- could honestly see him have 34 clubs, 67 or 68o, so super wide). I have A-10o in sb and make it $65. Kinda trying to iso button bc he really bad. It goes call call. Flop $199 A-5-6 with two diamonds (56d). I lead 40 into 199. Older guy makes it $105. Button folds. I wanna say older guy had 250-300 behind after his raise. What do we do here?
I don’t want to reveal what I did and what happened. I just think- what is the guy raising 105 with? His image is tight so far- hasn’t been at table for a while but I can’t see him doing this with worse than A-10
What do you do to flop raise and is our spr ever at a point where we just go with it bc we have top pair, good kicker. Spr was 2.18 based on my stack- would be slightly less if villian started with less chips then our 500
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I don’t like the bet-sizing. Most of the time, I will fold your hand pre-flop, it’s a very, very mediocre hand, you’re OOP and it’s an old guy that probably doesn’t get out of line much.
You need other opinions, because I probably fold this hand, even from the button, if an old guy opens - The last thing you want is a bloated pot with a marginal hand OOP.
If you bet the 40 pre & 65 on the flop, I would like it better. As played, the very strong chance that villain has a better ace, is why you should never have gotten involved.
People use SPR to justify bad play a lot. I’m so glad they came up with that concept. You hit the flop (which you miss 68% of the time), but it’s very likely you’re no good.
So, you fold now and lose 65
or you continue and lose more
I think he’s letting you off the hook
Forget SPR and focus on playing strong hands, in position with the betting lead. That’s the way you win. Not over-playing marginals OOP
Fold pre-flop. You don't have a good kicker to an old man raising range.
What’s your 3! Range then? AQo+
Fold pre. ATo is nowhere near good enough to 3B an old man's open from MP.
If you want to 3B, go bigger, at least 5x.
Just check flop. Don't c-bet.
This is all very exploitative. The old man probably isn't raising pre and calling your 3B with worse than ATo. He's not calling or raising flop with worse than ATo. If he has us beat, he'll bet if we check, and probably for a large size, on this board.
If he checks, there's a good chance BTN will stab at it with any piece. We can then decide if we want to smooth call or raise. I'd probably just smooth call, because old man could be trapping.
As played, I'm snap folding to his raise, and showing him the ace. He'd have to be turning something into a bluff for us to be ahead here. If he's doing this with JJ or some other BS, good for him.
He had KJss lol and showed it. Just wonder if I call off bc the spr is so low. I didn’t expect this hand to be part of a raise range on flop.
For some reason- I feel folks still think betting 1/5 or 1/4 pot is really weak. Think they read into the sizing too much.
Never expect that hand to be raised. Looking back at the hand, only things I see him having are flush draws, two pair, sets, straight draws, and random trash bluffs like he had.
I think we can discount AK bc he’s prolly 4! Pre. AQ and AJ a possibility. Still think maybe I’m supposed to call flop bet and see what he does on turn if he’s showing up with KJ lmao.
All these live hands are player based - you would know better than us what nitty old man opens, what he raises the flop with, etc. I do like the squeeze pre unless nitty old man is only opening super strong hands and limping the rest.
Regarding this hand. He was just and older Native American man with gray hair. I really didn’t have a read on him bc he was newer to the table but noticed he hadn’t been active. Not sure this says much. I just would say his open range is tighter than a normal player but that is just from typecasting appearance.
I feel my image was spazzy a bit probably. When it would go 3-4 limps, I might make it $30 with a solid strong type isolate limpers hand which I feel can annoy people at 1/3.
Preflop is a fold 90+% of the time but I understand the rationale for a squeeze so won't quibble too much, it's marginal but not terrible.
Flop cbet is fine, you're going to see calls and folds far more often than raises. If called by MP then you need to slow down at some point but cbetting Axx flops especially ones with loads of draws is fine.
Would probably now fold based on kicker, there's a chance MP does this occasionally with AQ or something which would be enough to tip the scales for me. Lots of sets/2 pair as well as the draws. Played fine postflop
FYI to the mod team, the new forum software apparently doesn't show direct reply comments when viewing the forum on mobile using the Tapatalk app. I was only able to see them when reading the thread on my laptop.
Assuming my personal opinion isn't worth a drop of urine, I don't like the new software / format.
