KJo on BTN vs. LJ “KJo is my favorite hand!”
1/2. Rake/promo/tip is 6+3+2. 325 effective.
V is a regular loose aggressive 50+ yrs old single high-earning salesmen who sometimes plays 2/5. “KJo is my favorite hand!” he said before this hand. He has a VPIP/RFI/3B/4B around 30/12/6/3. Tonight, he’s been opening 7 to 14 and more over limpers. Post-flop he overvalues his hands and calls too wide. He's mostly limping and calling preflop and on the next streets happily playing for stacks.
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V opens LJ to 7. Folds to hero on BTN with KJo. Hero?
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Trivial fold. Not sure what V’s irrational peculiarities have to do with your decision.
I would personally 3bet this for the banter but no harm in folding. The other day a guy next to me was saying he never won anything with TT, so I took great pleasure in getting heads up with him with TT the very next hand and dragging in a nice pot.
KJo is a marginal ‘trouble’ hand that can sometimes be opened from the button, but it’s never a good idea to call a raise.
I get the impression that you think you can outplay villain, but if you take a knife to a gunfight, you face a hard road. You do know that you miss on the flop 68% of the time.
Villain is favored:
KQo 74% KQs 75%
AQo 63% AQs 65%
AJo 74% AJs 76%
KTo 27% KTs 32%
99 55% TT 57%
AKo 74% AKs 75%
ATo 59% ATs 62%
These are close depending on suits from PokerCruncher
Do you think any of these hands are in his range - I’m trying to show that you are behind a lot. I would have to be very sure of exactly how I was planning to exploit villain before getting involved. Not saying you can’t push this guy around, but you might lose a lot of chips unnecessarily trying to.
Isn’t it crazy that you need to fold so much in this game.
Good 3bet spot if he has a sizing tell.
Totally fine to fold too though, this would be a standard fold without the tell.
1/2. Rake/promo/tip is 6+3+2. 325 effective.V is a regular loose aggressive 50+ yrs old single high-earning salesmen who sometimes plays 2/5. “KJo is my favorite hand!” he said before this hand. He has a VPIP/RFI/3B/4B around 30/12/6/3. Tonight, he’s been opening 7 to 14 and more over limpers. Post-flop he overvalues his hands and calls too wide. He's mostly limping and calling
Either fold, or 3B big, like $30.
Honestly, our actual hand matters less to me than having position and a skill edge post flop. I'd want to raise to get this HU and IP with a guy who's probably continuing too wide on every street and is going to make lots of mistakes post.
What's his fold to 3bet? If he's unlikely to fold, I don't think a 3bet is profitable. I don't like calling our hand against his range, we have ~43% against a plausible 16% range for example. Hands we do nicely against e.g. K7s, J8s, JTo are more likely to limp in preflop with this guy.
Either fold, or 3B big, like $30.
Honestly, our actual hand matters less to me than having position and a skill edge post flop. I'd want to raise to get this HU and IP with a guy who's probably continuing too wide on every street and is going to make lots of mistakes post.
Continuing too wide is great when we have a value hand and horrible when you intend to make a lot of your equity by bluffing. Much rather play this vs a player that folds too often to pressure as that is the player type where our position is a bigger edge.
Continuing too wide is great when we have a value hand and horrible when you intend to make a lot of your equity by bluffing. Much rather play this vs a player that folds too often to pressure as that is the player type where our position is a bigger edge.
This is pure nonsense.
If we have a value hand, we're not continuing too wide.
If we raise, it's not us who has to make the choice to continue or not. It's V.
We don't make equity, period. Not by bluffing or doing anything else.
We have position here. And V is a LAG. He VPIP's too wide. He's going to fold too often. He'll just be doing it post flop, rather than pre-flop.
We make more getting two or three bets out of him than we will trying to get money out of a nit, or by trying to make a nit fold post, when the nit VPIP's too tight.
Continuing too wide is great when we have a value hand and horrible when you intend to make a lot of your equity by bluffing. Much rather play this vs a player that folds too often to pressure as that is the player type where our position is a bigger edge.
This is pure nonsense.If we have a value hand, we're not continuing too wide. If we raise, it's not us who has to make the c
And if we do not have a value hand we are continuing too wide. We've been told he continues too wide so your claim "he is going to fold too often" is at odds with what OP told us about V. Is required however for you to be correct which is why you are not correct.
And if we do not have a value hand we are continuing too wide. We've been told he continues too wide so your claim "he is going to fold too often" is at odds with what OP told us about V. Is required however for you to be correct which is why you are not correct.
We don't know what we have until we see the flop.
Not folding my button, with a 13% hand, to a single, barely 3x open from the LJ. To a passive, 30/12 type who's sticky post.
3! to 25, with 300 back, to eject the blinds and see how much V likes his hand. Folding to a 4!
Is everyone waiting for QQ+/AK here? I like my button, damnit.
KJo is a marginal 3bet hand (trouble hand for nitty in training diapers). V “calls too wide” pre and post flop. I predicted if I cbet, he calls most of the time
After the hand I checked my range: 3b KJo OTB. But against a loose aggressive also calling wide pre and post…thin value high variance.
KJo is a marginal 3bet hand (trouble hand for nitty in training diapers). V “calls too wide” pre and post flop. I predicted if I cbet, he calls most of the time
After the hand I checked my range: 3b KJo OTB. But against a loose aggressive also calling wide pre and post…thin value high variance.
Folding is fine, regardless of charts and reads. Raising would also be fine, also regardless of both.
The point I was trying to make is that we should be focused on identifying our opponents' leaks and thinking about how to exploit them. If we can out-play them post flop, especially when we're IP, we don't need to be as rigid with our hand selection.
The question isn't what to do with KJo. It's whether or not we believe we can out-play this opponent post, and if so, how wide can we be?
KJo is a marginal 3bet hand (trouble hand for nitty in training diapers). V “calls too wide” pre and post flop. I predicted if I cbet, he calls most of the time
After the hand I checked my range: 3b KJo OTB. But against a loose aggressive also calling wide pre and post…thin value high variance.
if you are going to cbet 100% and then give up turn 100% when you whiff you should fold pre
if you are going to cbet most but not all of the time, know what turn cards to barrel, and know when to bluff AI on the river, then you should 3b pre.
