GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Someone put up a stat that Lebron scored over 20 points per game for over 23 years as a brag lol. No disrespect, but Jordan would rip off and burn his 23 jersey if he only scored 20 points per game for 23 years. Like i'm surprised lebron was that bad. It's hard to only score 20 points per game if your considered a star athlete, let alone the goat. I think that stat alone exclude's Lebron from any goat conversation.
I love Jordan and has been my goat for a long time. I actually think Jokic became goat years back. But Wemby madce a good point that Jokic doesn't play defense. Wemby has huge ceiling to be goat. Lebron will be pushed out of top 10 eventually. Overrated massively.
Btw, jordan didn't realize his goat status would even be questioned, but if he did he woulda averaged 40 a game while still drinking and gambling every night. Imagine if he tried to play at his best, meaning taking care of his body and getting sleep every night like lebron. And in today's game Jordan would do 50 every game easy. Nobody plays defense, it's a go ahead bro i like making business decisions on my health. I'll load manage til the playooffs. Nobody's getting closelined in a regular season game these days. In jordan's time that was a regular tuesday.
Jordan and Bird could score over 20 a game playing lefthanded.
Btw, jordan didn't realize his goat status would even be questioned, but if he did he woulda averaged 40 a game while still drinking and gambling every night. Imagine if he tried to play at his best, meaning taking care of his body and getting sleep every night like lebron. And in today's game Jordan would do 50 every game easy. Nobody plays defense, .
Could have would have should have and imagine what are not good cases for anything here. It weakens a case when you feel the need to do it.
It's just an eye test thing. Jordan was my team's nemesis and he was unstoppable. Especially when the game was on the line. Either his pattened fly high pull up jumper, or drive to the hoop for a dunk, or and a and 1. It was annoying but i respected the goat!
Btw, Lebron never scared me, in fact rooted for him to shoot many times. I hid under the covers when Jordan had the ball.
I was Scottie's biggest fan, he was really good, no iodsprespect but.. "shoot Scottie, shoot, don't give the ball back to joradan please!"
Arguing for Jordan as GOAT is really not that hard. You don't need any could have should have would have nonsense. He made his case so much better than the guys who butcher it here.
So i'm butchering his argument by telling the truth that he was way better than Lebron? And showing why? I'm confised. All due respect, just you the one making crazy claims.
And of course MJ made his case. Lebron couldn't shine MJ's shoes. No disprespect to Lebron. He's a top 20 player probably.
top 10 1.jokic 2.Jordan, 3. Bird 4.Shaq 5. Sga, 6. Luka, 7 Wemby 8 Tim from spurs 9 Curry 10 Kevin Garnett.
Just off top of my haed. I'm sure i'm missing some. Kobe should be somehwere too. Barkely and Karl malone honable mentions. also Durant!
I forgot Hakeem. What an all around player.!
Lebron hasnt "only averaged 20", he has averaged less than 25 only in his rookie season age 19 and in his age 40 and 41 seasons.
All the while scoring more efficiently and having more assists/rebounds than Jordan and being a much better rim defender too.
But sure let's sort by PPG, that's why this year's Luka is better than 90-91 and 92-93 Jordan.
Lebron hasn't even been batman on his team other than when he came into the league when they didn't have a big name. Wade was Baman but pretended to be robin for Lebro's ego. Kyrie was Batman even though public told you he was robin. Now Luka is Batman and even Lebron supporters know it's true. Lebron is a very good robin. But Batman?
So, why has Kyrie never won anything else in his career other than when he played with a guy who led the finals in all 5 major stats?
He's played with Durant, Harden, Luka, Tatum, among other big stars.
Jordan did well enough on his own merits to be regarded as the GoAT. He doesn't need all these hypotheticals about if he didn't drink beer and smoke cigars and if he didn't retire 3 times. He doesn't need you to give him imaginary credit for the things he didn't do. That makes him seem like he isn't the GOAT.
Imagine sorting by PPG then claiming Wade is better than Lebron at the very next turn.
Dwane Wade was a great player. He cow-towed to Lebron Iit's close but i think Wade was better. People forget he won a championship vs Dirk when Dirk, was and is in top 2 shooters of all time.
When lebron came Dirk showed them who the boss was! Dirk was better than both of them. They couldn't beat him even with Lebron's super team so they made fart jokes about him instead. Yeah goats make fart jokes when they get owned! Then lebron siad even though he choked his life was better than ours. Yeah we know bro!. In fairness to Lebron he didnt keep choking this bad going forward. He improved bigtime. His talk with Tim Teebow mde him a less of a non choker. Jordan didnt feel the need to beg Tim Teebow how to win.
LeBron with another masterclass performance. 21/12/10 on 50% shooting, while being +25.
He's doing this at a game number that no one has ever played before.
Just icing on the cake for the GOAT.
And the ONLY thing that FG had going for him was that Lakers were worse when he's on the floor, while the Wizards were better with MJ on the floor.
Now the Lakers are better with LeBron on the floor.
And LeBron is doing it for a third seed, whereas mj was doing it for a team that had Cancun tickets booked a month out from the end of the season.
In March LeBron averaged 19/7/7 on 63 TS%.
He's 41 years and 3 months of age. That's more than 12 months after MJ's body failed him and he couldn't play any more.
LeBron with another masterclass performance. 22/12/10 on 50% shooting, while being +25.
He's doing this at a game number that no one has ever played before.
Just icing on the cake for the GOAT.
Clutch stepping up when Luka got suspended too .
For the record MJ had a total of 4 times he had better than 21/12/10 shooting 50% or better. None after he turned 30.
For the record MJ had a total of 4 times he had better than 21/12/10 shooting 50% or better. None after he turned 30.
LeBron was always a better rebounder AND passer.
call me when lebron has six championships.
thats your only argument?
thats the only argument I need sean!!!!!
Jordan didn't have anyone better than him to pass to so why would he? He liked winning. Kerr, paxton, and Scottie weren't clutch superstars. Lebron had Wade, Kyrie, and Luka who were all arguably better than him. At least better scorers and more clutch for sure. So Jordan's assists woulda been higher if he trusted his teammates more than himself to get the job done. Why would you ever pass if you're the best option to score?
And Jordan did take 1st halves off sometimes to be a good teammate until it was winning time in the 2nd half. At least in the regular season.
I remember 1st time seeing jordan come on the court for the bulls. They didn't start him right away the way i remember it, prolly out of respect for their vets. Then he got in the game. Jordan had some hype from his career at North Carolina but wanted to see if it would translate into the nba. He got on the court and i was like "oh my" we have something here. He played like everyone else was stuck in mud as he flied around the court. Poor Sam Bowie, not his fault they picked him 1 over jordan, olajuwon, barkley, and Stockton. Bowie could play.
Charles Barkley "the round mound of rebound" deserves more credit. He was a beast. It was obvious right away he was the 76'ers franchise player even though nobody expected him to be that good. Then went to Phoenix and made Dan majerle a star. No disprespect to Dan but Barkley let him get a ton of open 3's. He would post up every hand and dictate the offense.
Kyrie is like Kawhi, they play when they decide it's important. Kawhi better, but similar mentality. Kyrie decided to play vs the warriors and single handidly took over the 2nd half of that game to win a championship for the Cavs. Jr Smith hit some big 3's in 2nd half to allow kyrie a chance to win it. Lebron was an observer other than the block of 100 year old dude going in for layup and didn't know lebron was following him.
LOL just looked it up.
Even if you isolate to the second half of game 7 for some reason, Lebron had 15 points and 6 assists to Kyrie's 17 points and 0 assists. JR Smith had 8 points and 0 assists. The Observer (TM) responsible for more points than JR and Kyrie combined.
At least FG can cherry pick data and argue that makes a convincing argument to those who don't know anything.
Are you sure? I watched it live and was a warriors fan. I thought warriors were up 8 and jr hit 3 consecutive 3's to go up by 1. Than kyrie took over. I was very scared of kyrie hoping lebron would shoot, but lebron knew kyrie was the man and let him do him. Everyone watching that game if being honest was kyrie vs the best team in basketball, and kyrie batmaned them to a championship. Warrriors were so much better it was comical how they evne got to a game 7. Lebron had to put his cohones in draymond's face so dray would get suspeded. Curry was playing on 2 broken ankles. Their australia guy was very injured, who was their main guy in the middle. Prolly the biggest upset ever as those teams weren't close in talent. That warriors team was prolly the best team ever assembled til they got durant where it was laughable who'd win the championship.
All i know is kyrie was impersonating Jordan and i wanted to hide under the covers because he wasn't gonna miss. He was batman.
