J9c on a diamond board
1-3nl 7 handed 400 max. H with 500 V covers
V young white guy. I saw him but didn’t play with him the night before.
HH V calls an OMCs preflop late position raise from the big blind. H not in hand. A 4 5 with Ah and one other heart on board. V check calls. Turn is a black 8. V check calls. River is a small H. No 4 straight. V lead bets representing a flush. OMC calls with his Ace. V shows pocket sevens.
OTTH
H in cutoff with Jc9c. V in HJ. One early position limper. V calls. H raises to 20. Folds to V who calls
Flop (40 after rake) K47 two diamonds.
V checks
H bets 25
V calls. Yuck!
Turn (90 after rake ) 10d
V checks
H now double gutted with 3 diamonds on board. Checks
River (90) 5 d. Now 4 diamonds on the board
V checks
H pauses. Counts out 60 in chips and makes his bluff.
What does everyone think?
I normally don’t bluff like this. It seems like most players don’t fold enough to make it profitable. I bluffed here cause I thought V could find a fold button. After making this bet I thought “Oh fudge! (I actually thought this) V bluffed a flush on the river. Will he think I’m bluffing now?”
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Bluffing is about seizing the situation, and he can’t call without a diamond, so I don’t mind. You may have the best hand and be value betting. Your 2/3 pot bluff only had to work 40% of the time.
There are some players that hide in the weeds with a big diamond waiting to raise your bet.
There are some players that see through your line and raise to represent a bigger hand, forcing you to fold.
Wondered if flop K was a diamond, and how some villains might level themselves into a call from the turn checkback. Some say, flop bet, turn check, river bet is massively over-bluffed
But yea, against the population,
I’m good with it.
1-3nl 7 handed 400 max. H with 500 V coversV young white guy. I saw him but didn't play with him the night before.HH V calls an OMCs preflop late position raise from the big blind. H not in hand. A 4 5 with Ah and one other heart on board. V check calls. Turn is a black 8. V check calls. River is a small H. No 4 straight. V lead bets representing a flush. OMC calls with his Ace
Grunch:
The prior hand history doesn't tell us much that would seem relevant to this hand. Maybe we can infer that he'll turn SDV into a bluff when he percives the need.
PRE - meh, I'd probably fold or just over-limp. I don't hate the raise over two limps, but if we're going to raise with a speculative hand, I'd want to go bigger.
FLOP - c-betting the K-high board for around 1/2 pot seems fine.
When V calls, I'd be putting him on 1P (mostly KX), or some sort of draw.
It would be helpful to know if the K on board is one of the diamonds.
TURN - If the board is Kx7d4dTd, I might just give up and check back, or bet pretty small, like $30.
If it's the Kd on board, I think we should barrel. We'd love to make him fold KX no diamond. I think we need to continue betting when we pick up the DGSSD. Bet around 1/2 pot, $45, maybe a tad less, like $40, and fold to a raise.
RIVER - depending on the suit of the K on board, I'd be putting him on Kx, low flushes, and some pure give-ups.
What size would you bet to get Kx to call? Maybe $50-$60? So if we're just trying to make Kx fold, maybe we can bet $75-$90.
If we don't think Kx is going to fold, maybe there are some random other hands, like 87, 76, and 65 that we can target to fold with a smaller bet, like $45-$50.
We're not trying to make him fold nutted hands. We just want to fold out the bottom of his range.
Alternatively, we can just give up and check back, expecting to lose almost all the time.
...Turn (90 after rake ) 10dV checksH now double gutted with 3 diamonds on board. ChecksRiver (90) 5 d. Now 4 diamonds on the boardV checksH pauses. Counts out 60 in chips and makes his bluff.What does everyone thinkI normally don't bluff like this. It seems like most players don't fold enough to make it profitable. I bluffed here cause I thought V could find a fold button. Aft
I think your size is fine, depending on what you're trying to make fold. He probably folds any 1P hand worse than Kx for that amount. Maybe he folds Kx at some frequency.
We should be ranging our opponents on every street. On the river, his range is basically flushes, and some hands that aren't flushes, but have some smidge of SDV. We don't really beat anything in his range, so we're just trying to make him fold some of his SDV.
When we check back turn, I'd think an aggro V is going to come out and bet the river with his best hands. I don't think he'd attempt a bluff here very often, with four flush cards on board. So I'd weight his range towards SDV and low flushes.
We could consider an over-bet to get a range fold. It seems credible that we could get here with AdXx. But we probably would have bet turn, and I don't like trying to make low stakes opponents fold flushes. So I'd just try to make him fold his SDV.
I like the bet. The sizing is good. You want him to fold a pair or a bad flush.
How bad a flush do we think he has here?
If you turned a flush and checked it twice, would you fold to a $60 bet into a $90 pot, when our opponent checked back on the turn?
I think we would need to know the suits of the cards on the flop. If hero could have more than a few lower flushes in his range, I wouldn't be too quick to fold to a 2/3 pot bet.
I wouldn't fold a K high flush. May or may not fold a Q high flush. I may fold J9dd. Probably folding 98dd, at least some of the time.
If the 7d, 5d and 4d are on board, it's hard for either player to have many low flush combos. 86dd and 63dd would be straight flushes. The low flushes in V's range would be 32, 62, 98, and J9.
Does he even show up with 32 or 62? Do J9 or 98 fold to a 2/3 pot bet? I dunno.
I'd think J9/98 are his worst flushes. I'm not trying to make him fold QJdd or better. Certainly not by betting 2/3 pot.
I'd mostly just be trying to make him fold hands that aren't flushes.
I can’t remember if the king was a diamond or not. But on the river I remember eliminating A d from Vs range since he didn’t lead river. And I remember thinking he will check call with a king flush. So maybe the King of diamonds was unseen.
I normally value bet nut flushes in this situation for 1/3 so about $30 here. I want to make it easy to call. I chose $60 here to make it a tough choice, a thinking player might think this is valuey, and to minimize a loss if called. 4 flush and 4 straight boards seem to be both under bluffed and under value bet.
I was trying to get small flushes to fold, which so far seems like the wrong hands to target.
Reveal later.
When you check back the turn, he's unlikely to give you credit for the nut flush on the river, because you would have bet the turn with the nut flush, or just the Ad as a semi-bluff.
With the T, 7, 5 and 4 of diamonds on board, there aren't many low flushes to fold out. He's probably not limp-calling pre with 32 or 62. 63 and 86 are straight flushes. The flushes in his range are going to be 98dd, J8dd, J9ss, Q8dd, Q9dd, QJdd, K9dd, KJdd, and KQdd
If he has a flush, whatever combo he has blocks some of the KXdd combos we're likely to have as the pre-flop raiser. In his spot, I might fold 98dd and J8dd. Maybe Q8dd. I don't think I'd fold QJdd or any KXdd combo.
Out of the 9 flush combos he has in range, we might be able to fold out 2, or maybe 3 at most.
We should be focusing on folding out his hands that aren't flushes.
V asks if I have a diamond. I don’t answer.
V fiddles with his chips. Counts out enough for a call. I’m expecting him to ask if I’ll show. V tanks some more and finally folds.
I do show mostly trying change my nit type image. There were two regulars at the other end of the table, unfortunately I don’t think either one was paying attention.
V asks if I have a diamond. I don't answer.
V fiddles with his chips. Counts out enough for a call. I'm expecting him to ask if I'll show. V tanks some more and finally folds.
I do show mostly trying change my nit type image. There were two regulars at the other end of the table, unfortunately I don't think either one was paying attention.
He tanked over a $60 bet?
I wouldn't show to let people know I got a bluff through. I might show just because I hate it when people tank over trivial decisions.
Really is amazing I don't have more friends.
I dunno. Maybe you found the perfect size to make him tank-fold TP.
Nice hand.