The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched
Where did I say wasnt possible.. and just to spell it out for you 4 million is a lot lower than 65 million. And I did give reasons namely "It was just funny how you "own businesses" but not multiple businesses. In fact when I said multiple you got angry because you never said multiple but obv did use the plural. Then you "owned" them like it was a thing of the past. Now you own them again. Its how you contradict yourself time and time again that makes your stories incredible." And how all your other stories are self-contradictory as well.
Also you ways of "showing proof" are meaningless and mostly very stupid, becausing using the same methods I just proven I am a scientist. And 8 million is an even bigger number than 4 million, so my proof must be twice as solid. Did you really not get that when you said 4 million isnt a big enough number or are you now playing even dumber than you actually are? Because that would be a though challenge to keep up.
I love though how you focus on that one small paragraph because you have no explanation for all the others. Like not getting that the microwave analogy applies 100% to your own reasoning, whining on skypoker forum for years, contradiction on weak vs good players both being helped by the rigged rng, making long posts but refusing to spend 1 min with a tracker, not even a trial one and not deying he is on benefits (so he must be on welfare, because when phil galfond didnt specifically denied rng are rigged that certainly meant they are rigged, in thewaddys mind not denying = confirming. Going back on this would be hugely inconsistent and thats not how thewaddy rolls🙂😃😃
But just to pick one out again:
You say there is a of chance of change if its talked about and thats why you do it (alongside your previous statements that you do so to warn beginners about magical decks)
Imagine how much talk there will be if you finally showed those crazy beats and avalanches of 4outers you've encountered so frequently.
If you dont show them its clear you dont want change at all.
You are the one withholding any change.
And this sums up how full of **** you are.
You say that as evidence that they must be screwing people over because all they care about is profit.
But you are a self-proclaimed business owner as well... So in your desire to maximize profits, who are you screwing over?
And do you think its maximizing profits to whine for years on a sky poker forum and after it closes on a different forum?
Tweaks in percentages of outcomes, achieve;1 More rake, the more bigger hands that change lead, the more maximum rake achieved2 Player retention (the most important to any site), help given to poor players in order for them to afford to stay3 Games have moved away from skilled poker, to 'crapshoot' type tournaments. These hooked on quick action, need the hands to be much more e
1 has been disproven by RNG checks. Because if hands were bigger than expected and changed lead more than expected this would not be a pattern and it would not be random.
Therefore it wouldnt pass a randomness test like an RNG check.
2 & 4 are contradictory, which is very on-brand for thewaddy
Weak players are generally low-volume players and the high volume players are generally (professional) regulars. Yet they are both being helped.
How would that work when a weak player faces a high volume player?? How intricate is this RNG riggin that it can somehow help out both players at the same time??
3 has nothing to do with tweaking anything. They just create new game to attract more customers. If anything, this shows that when a pokersite wants to make more money they create new games and new customer bases instead of rigging the old ones.
So out of these 4 points only 4 are totally invalid.
Otherwise you did an excellent job.
There is many more reasons, but all geared to maximising their revenue. They are frequently fined hundreds of thousands of pounds for soliciting vulnerable players, so they have proven no qualms about the unethical side of things. Its all about maximum profit.
Wow these sites are malicious. You must hate them and love the regulators who dish out these big fines to these scummy companies...
LOLOLOL
The king of contradicting himself strikes again😃
TheWaddyI understand that you can't afford to buy a Tracker from an established company, but you might be glad to know that there's a new one being introduced in Software, at https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/167/p..., and it will cost you nothing at this time.If you can risk not being microwaved by it, maybe
I can see why you have built a little gang who address things in a simlar childish manner, claiming i cant afford a Tracker rather than the real reasons i have given.
I couldnt give you anything that proves an existence of a rig, the same as you are unable to conclusively prove that there isnt. Thats why your forum has a debate on the matter. As there is no proof either way. Is there? Looks like you like a multi repeated conversation like Slugant, is he your son?
I will however maybe look at the tracker, but its unclear to whether omaha hi lo will be supported by this but we shall see.
Poker sites ultimately are businesses, buinesses all operate by maximising profit. To think a business would set up a poker site and have the attitude, whatever they make they make... and just hope they did is insane thinking within business.Tweaks in percentages of outcomes, achieve;1 More rake, the more bigger hands that change lead, the more maximum rake achieved 2 Player re
Ok so yes I’ll give to you “they want to make money” and yes it’s obvious they market to vulnerable people. And they also tailor games to appeal to the punter/gamble side of the game and you see this a lot with casinos.
But…we need to address the RNG rigging.
This is essentially the debate!
I can’t prove it isn’t and you can’t prove it is.
I have played mainly online cash poker for 17 years.
And the main reason people say it’s rigged is to generate more rake. Now most of the hands you play do not end up with big all ins. And why would you have a “no flop, no drop” policy when raised and 3/4b pots generally lead to bigger pots and more rake taken.
Also why would all the massive companies risk everything and rig the RNG.
Imagine what would happen if they did rig RNG and got caught.
Has anyone thought through this scenario. It would obviously kill the site and kill online poker dead.
Also on a side note. If you play micros and I am sure a lot of loosing players do. You simply see more mad **** because the amount of money is irrelevant so people punt and gamble cause they do not care about $20.
Waddy you are a business owner. If you owned a poker site making a good profit year after year. Would you rig the RNG and put your business at risk.
Currently would you do anything illegal and risk your business. Plus you have to think about all the people that know it’s rigged and have not spoken out.
The real reason is you cant be arsed too?
Or that it would be difficult to import imaginary avalanches of 4 outers?
I will however maybe look at the tracker, but its unclear to whether omaha hi lo will be supported by this but we shall see.
Actually its very clear. Its almost like you didnt do any research before exclaiming this sentence, because 1 quick google search will tell it to you. And you're in luck
So no reason anymore to stall.
Lets just focus on this, as this reveals who you are and what you are about. I see it triggered another 2 huge posts of repeating stuff......
Lol yea lets focus on 1 point and forget about the other 20 you cant deal with.
Again so ironic that you accuse me of repeating stuff but what we have to focus on is a carbon copy of 1 of your posts.
And one that is besides the topic but about 4 million self-employed UK people. Which has no say either way whether you belong to that group or not. It just shows they do exist, well guess what, that wasnt the debate.
But is this the one thing thats left over of your whole argument because everything else has been proven wrong?
So now your focus point is "slugant doesnt believe I own businesses so he shouldnt be trusted and since he thinks the rng is fair its therefore rigged"
And just when we thought you've hit rock bottom when you brought in those trustpilot numbers. I guess you have to think up something when you have nothing else of substance to bring to the table anymore.
Ok so yes I’ll give to you “they want to make money” and yes it’s obvious they market to vulnerable people. And they also tailor games to appeal to the punter/gamble side of the game and you see this a lot with casinos.But…we need to address the RNG rigging.This is essentially the debate!I can’t prove it isn’t and you can’t prove
Sensible people have thought about the incredibly unfortunate risk-to-reward ratio of this scheme.
You are talking sense to someone who is allergic to it.
You're asking for logical thinking from thewaddy but his whole persona is to contradict the previous thing he said.
I mean he claims all sites are rigged exactly the same way.
That means literally every high ranking employee would have to keep quiet forever and keep the same exact secret for years and years even though they are competitors. Basically any sector where thas been fraud there has been a whistleblower. How come nobody ever came clean about the rigged RNG? It doesnt make any sense at all. Its all just sore bums yelling from the sideline.
I can see why you have built a little gang who address things in a simlar childish manner, claiming i cant afford a Tracker rather than the real reasons i have given.
...So you're broke and can't afford to pay for PT4?
I will however maybe look at the tracker, but its unclear to whether omaha hi lo will be supported by this but we shall see.
The fact that you didn't know PT4 supports PLO8 is absolutely ****ing hilarious. Poker Tracker basically supported that game from day 1 which was like 20 years ago
WinniI think I know which one you were on Sky Poker, due to your comment on if I was proven right. My opinion is, if regulation included 100% random decks, most sites would disappear and we would be left with 1 or 2. Only 1 or 2 could survive, but there would be a market for 1 or 2.This would be ideal, a fair game where EVERYONE would feel confident and anyone who wanted to pla
So few things firstly I seriously doubt that anyone is ever going to be able to prove that online poker is not rigged. This is not because it is but simply because proofing a negative is incredibly difficult and often literally impossible.
This is why courts have to prove guilt to convict. It is not on the accused to prove they did not commit the crime because that is often impossible to prove, it is on the accuser to prove guilt.
If your asking a poker site to prove it is not rigged you are asking them to disprove any and all ideas anyone could ever come up with. Pre flop there are 1326 different permutations of poker hands you can be dealt. Assuming we are in a spin and go 3 players then preflop post flop turn and river etc there are literally quadrillions of different potential run outs with everything combined. Then you have every crackpot idea anyone could literally think of to debunk. Then you have how sites could in theory take evasive measures to make these things harder to spot.
It is literally not possible for any poker site to conclusively prove their site is not rigged, The onus is on you the accuser to demonstrate evidence.
If I said you had committed a crime and were a criminal but I'm not even mentioning the specific crime or when it occurred could you prove that you have never committed a crime in your life? Very likely not, and no reasonable person would ask you for that. They would be demanding the evidence from me or the prosecution team.
With regards to your comment about whom I trust and you owning your own business I hardly think this is relevant to anything. You could be a secret billionaire who owns a massive company or some crazy homeless person attempting to sell snail shells on the sidewalk either way.
I still think you should just move on with life. In truth most people who argue with you are just laughing at you and doing this for entertainment. You are not gaining anything by doing this. I am sure you can find more sympathetic voices down the pup or at gamblers anonymous, but in truth i think you would be better off, i dont know maybe focusing on your snail shell business.
In all seriousness though just stop doing this to yourself.
TeflonDawg said;
The fact that you didn't know PT4 supports PLO8 is absolutely ****ing hilarious. Poker Tracker basically supported that game from day 1 which was like 20 years ago[/QUOTE]
Slugant said;
Actually its very clear. Its almost like you didnt do any research before exclaiming this sentence, because 1 quick google search will tell it to you. And you're in luck
2 aggressive answers saying how stupid i am suggesting to The Moderator that a new tracker may not support Omaha hi lo.... You both say of course PT4 does and you a **** dick, etc
except we werent talking about Poker Traker 4, we were talking about a new completely different one. Do you guys ever take a moment to breathe to avoid embarrassing yourselves by misquoting before spitting your venom???
Mike Haven said;
but you might be glad to know that there's a new one being introduced in Software, at https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...l..., and it will cost you nothing at this time.
I cant address Slugant anymore, he just misquotes, misunderstands, repeats everything and thinks hes respected for it.
I agree with you Winni, i end up having to repeat myself and also defend myself for even things outside poker, with no apparent reason other than to bully in packs. I do know they are just trolls who are here just to mock and be ultra aggressive and nothing to do with poker interest. All poker forums are exactly the same. I mean if they had a poker interest, why on earth wouldnt they want regulation getting involved in RNGs. Just a bunch of frat boys, i do know this.
except we werent talking about Poker Traker 4, we were talking about a new completely different one
No, WE are not. You just are. Because you dont need this specific new tracker to show your avalanches of 4outers, you just need A tracker. And people are helping you by suggesting free trackers or free-trial trackers because in the 25+ years you've been playing online poker you somehow never gotten around to buy one.
I agree with you Winni, i end up having to repeat myself and also defend myself...
I do know they are just trolls
I am not sure you got the gist of his post if this is what you took out of it
Then again you have proven yourself to be terrible at processing information
So here are the highlights of his post directed at you:
If I said you had committed a crime and were a criminal but I'm not even mentioning the specific crime or when it occurred could you prove that you have never committed a crime in your life? Very likely not, and no reasonable person would ask you for that
I am sure you can find more sympathetic voices down the pup or at gamblers anonymous, but in truth i think you would be better off, i dont know maybe focusing on your snail shell business.
So its quite hilarious to read that you agree with him😃
I am not sure you are capable of this since you've made some promises before that you just cannot seem to keep:
Oh and these are not misquotes, I always use the quote button and these are all your own words... you just seem to forget about them right away
Maybe thats why you are always contradicting yourself😉
TeflonDawg said;The fact that you didn't know PT4 supports PLO8 is absolutely ****ing hilarious. Poker Tracker basically supported that game from day 1 which was like 20 years agoSlugant said;Actually its very clear. Its almost like you didnt do any research before exclaiming this sentence, because 1 quick google search will tell it to you. And you're in luck2 aggressive answer
Spitting venom? Lmfao
Bro the only thing I'm doing is laughing at you. I hope you never stop posting
Also hilarious is watching you appeal to the moderators because I guess your feelings are hurt? You are weirdly soft for someone who's apparently run multiple businesses...Makes me question your actual business acumen
I'm going to start a GoFundMe for you so you can buy PT4. One day you will get there!
Teflon Dawg said;
The fact that you didn't know PT4 supports PLO8 is absolutely ****ing hilarious
Was never said, was talking about a new product
Spitting venom? Lmfao i would suggest you misunderstanding what was being said in an aggressive manner whilst using the word '****ing', was indeed spitting venom.
Winni said;
I still think you should just move on with life. In truth most people who argue with you are just laughing at you and doing this for entertainment
This is what i agreed with Winni on, though Borat chose to quite childishly predictably say i must agree with the whole lot. He actually thinks hes a legend on here.
I agree with Winni on this statement, as this is what this thread now is. A thread with resident trolls, with a frat boy pack mentality. Even Don Johnnie who admits hes now old, is going through a midlife crisis and wants to be in with he College boys.
Its disappointing that something described as 'The great Poker debate' has descended into this. Borat for example, says its not up for debate and is just here for the entertainment of saying black is white. This is what i question from The Moderator, as i would have thought he would want to run the site better than this childish rubbish.
TeflonDawg said;
Also hilarious is watching you appeal to the moderators because I guess your feelings are hurt? hmmm you know what, surprisingly not. Questioned the thousands of childish repetetive posts. Just surprised that he has lost his way and needs to be surrounded by people who share his beliefs in his industry, whatever the standard.
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Good job Michael, way to go.
Well that didnt take you long 🙂
Who would have guessed huh. You must have a backbone made of jelly.
Winni said;
I still think you should just move on with life. In truth most people who argue with you are just laughing at you and doing this for entertainment
This is what i agreed with Winni on
So you agree with Winni that "you should just move on with life".
Good to hear
Its gonna be challenge for you though. But at least you can always fall back on your multiple businesses.😃
Why are you suddenly interested in trying out this new tracker while perfectly fine omaha-importing trackers have been there for 25 years and you never even tried one?
Why does it have to be this new one?
You question if it imports omaha hi lo but if you were keen on doing so there has been (free) options out there all along.
The only reason you dont want a tracker is because you cannot import hand histories that comply with the fairy tales you've been describing here (because they never happened).
Just like any other riggie; they talk about statistical anomalies bad beats but we've seen exactly zero of them.
You want this to be a debate.. Well at a certain point the accusing side has to bring something to the table. Bad beats can be shown, avalanches of 4outers can be shown, same players winning each <20% can be shown even though you somehow cant. And it can easily be done in one afternoon, but for some super strange reason every riggie start getting really lazy at that specific point in the "research".
I hope you have a better work ethic in your multiple businesses😃
AI Overview
A forum moderator is
a person with special authority who manages online discussion spaces to ensure they run smoothly. They uphold community rules, curate content by removing spam or inappropriate posts, and foster healthy discussions.
And AI can be trusted right...
God an oldie but a goodie for you
If AI can be used to show how a mod must behave surely it can tell us about riggedness
Otherwise why even bring it up as an argument for your own
And since AI can be used to tell us how people should behave in their roles it can certainly tell us how to behave in a debate since you are disappointed by this one.
Especially since thewaddy wants to debate without proof.
Lets ask AI how it feels about this:
So if you use AI to tell people what their roles are, maybe start doing so yourself.
Because clearly its not a big fan of your style of evidenceless "debating".
In fact it says proof is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL to make a debate successful and acts as a foundation.
So if you want to save this debate, do something you've never done before and show some proof. And its not just me saying this, its your good trustworthy companion AI😉
Teflon Dawg said;The fact that you didn't know PT4 supports PLO8 is absolutely ****ing hilarious Was never said, was talking about a new productSpitting venom? Lmfao i would suggest you misunderstanding what was being said in an aggressive manner whilst using the word '****ing', was indeed spitting venom.Winni said;
Almost sad to see old Percy descent into mental illness. But then again, some people get what they deserve.
Let’s have a look at swapping the conversation from a poker tracker to a suggestion of owning a dog …. Just to get the info into your joint thick heads at how ridiculous this has been.
Slugant; Why dont you show us a picture of your dog?
TheWaddy; I dont have a dog and have never felt the need to have one. Also I have an allergic reaction to them.
TeflonDawg/MikeHaven/Slugant; So you are saying you cant afford a dog?
TheWaddy; Ahem … no its just something I have no interest in, as there is nothing I feel I would gain by having one.
Slugant; We dont believe you and dont believe any basic information in your life
TheWaddy; Ok, each to their own, but you are wrong.
Mike haven; theres a new dog called a Norwegian Lundehund, I can get you one for free. Consider taking it for a week to prove to us that you have an allergy.
TheWaddy; I really dont want one, the absolute only reason I would consider trying having the dog is if this breed was suitable as a guard dog.
TeflonDawg; of course a ****ing Alsatian is a good guard dog you ****ing idiot. Wow this guy is ****ing hilarious.
TheWaddy; We were talking about taking in a Norwegian Lundehund not an Alsatian. Why the aggression?
Slugant; YOU were. WE were not.
TheWaddy; Ok … this conversation getting very weird.
Slugant; how come you are suddenly interested in getting a Norwegian Lundehund now, when you could have had an Alsatian 25yrs ago?
TheWaddy; Sigh …. I am not interested in a dog at all… This is just bizarre. I dont want a dog, never have done, dont want one now, it was just being pushed on me by MikeHaven.
Slugant/MikeHaven/TeflonDawg; Ahh we can see you cant afford a dog and you dont have an allergy.
This is the standard of conversation on this thread. Mentioning your name is not addressing you Borat. Anyone feel free to say this conversation did not go this way, but anyone can go back and read this ridiculous way you guys communicate.
TheWaddy: The deal is rigged. I have proof.
Nearly Everyone Else: Wow! That's great! We've been waiting a very long time for someone to give us proof of a rig. Please post it.
TW: I can't post it. It's in my head. Anyone who's played poker for a long time can see that it's rigged.
NEE: Oh. Can you post your Tracker stats, please?
TW: I don't have a Tracker. Why would I need one?
NEE: So you can look at and show us your stats instead of only thinking you remember all of the hands you've played.
TW: It's ok. I see the patterns.
NEE: A Tracker would show us the patterns, too; if they are there.
TW: Why should I get a Tracker and show you my stats?
NEE: They would show us, and you, if it's rigged. If you see that it's not, you would be able to play with confidence instead of worrying that the game is rigged against you.
TW: The deal is rigged. I have proof.
NEE: ******* ********.
Not addressing you? Not addressing who? Me? Because in that case, you are addressing me :p
Its your standard type of conversation in the sense that it is fictitious
You have claimed here many times:
Well, if you want to warn people you dont do that with unfounded claims, you do that with proof. A tracker provides that proof, so its amazing to read you say that there is nothing to be gained from. Even though it would be the only thing making your warnings to beginners credible.
And if AI knows how a moderator should act it certainly knows how the accuser in a debate must act. I've showed you above.
You follow none of the rules so you are in no position to use AI to tell others what they should and shouldnt do.
Evidence is absolutely crucial for a successful debate. But with your stubborn stance on spending a few minutes with a tracker we will never see that evidence.
And (according to trusty AI) the withholding of proof also makes sure you lack credibility, persuasion and authority ("without it your points are merely assertions or opinions, which are weak in the context of formal debate")
You've said before you want this to be an open debate.
But for a successful debate we need to see some proof of your claims.
A tracker provides that crucial proof.
But you refuse to spend a few minutes using a tracker...
So you simply cannot argue this must be an open debate while refusing to do your part.
There is only a good debate when there is a burden of proof, or as AI states:
"the person making the claim has an obligation to prove their case. If you make a claim and cannot back it up, your opponent can easily dismiss it"
TheWaddy: The deal is rigged. I have proof.Nearly Everyone Else: Wow! That's great! We've been waiting a very long time for someone to give us proof of a rig. Please post it.TW: I can't post it. It's in my head. Anyone who's played poker for a long time can see that it's rigged. NEE: Oh. Can you post your Tracker stats, please?TW: I don't have a Tracker. Why would I need one?N
Just read to the opening line really is enough. As I have never said I have proof. Ever. Highly intelligent stuff!
Good thing you joined then 😃
Then again... Pokersites are greedy and rigging and you've been a loyal customer for 25+ years.
Highly intelligent stuff 😉
Also highly inteligent stuff to firmly believe in something you got no proof for. Or a slight effort to gather that proof.
But even more intelligent is your continued misunderstanding of what proof is.
Because you should have proof, whether you realize it or not
The avalanches of 4 outers, the statistical anomalies, the same people hitting every <20%, running 50/50 against someone over 100 HU's even though you got it in 80+% almost all time. You've all mentioned this as the reason why you believe poker is rigged. You've seen with your own eyes remember.
IF all these things indeed did happen they are stored as importable hand histories...
So IF these things actually happened you do have proof (and you are actively withholding that proof so far)
The only situation where you dont have proof is if all these things never actually happened...
So you either have proof or it was all lies, theres simply no other option.
Thats the beauty of online poker; hands are retrievable, importable and thus can be displayed and luckily Sky Poker is no exception 😉
So which one is it now?
quick question @thewaddy
you think these sites are rigged so do you think they could choose to rig the deck against a specific player or in favour of a specific player? like do you think Sky poker could decide they want to help Player A or hurt player A and then edit the deck or RNG accordingly to rig it?
quick question @thewaddy
you think these sites are rigged so do you think they could choose to rig the deck against a specific player or in favour of a specific player? like do you think Sky poker could decide they want to help Player A or hurt player A and then edit the deck or RNG accordingly to rig it?
Hard to hurt a specific player when the "decks run the same" in every game level and site.
Although he also said the rng helps beginners as well as high-volume players.
So thats contradictory
But then again, an RNG that helps both beginners and the highest volume players is contradictory as well.
Im noticing a pattern🙂
quick question @thewaddy
you think these sites are rigged so do you think they could choose to rig the deck against a specific player or in favour of a specific player? like do you think Sky poker could decide they want to help Player A or hurt player A and then edit the deck or RNG accordingly to rig it?
I think this where players look at it in the wrong manner. There is a suggestion 'what you think someone is watching you low stakes game and adjusting it specifically to make you lose' attitude. I can only offer what i have seen in hundreds of thousands of games and my take on it is, the deck will be written to provide a result that benefits a site most in any given game.
Its a complicated algorhythm, but the fact that you can see stats on your own game whilst playing for example, a MTT, on Ipoker shows the site is gathering info on your play, volume and profit/loss at all times.
I can play someone heads up at Omaha Hi lo, who i can tell after a few hands with what they are willing to call with, that they are unlikely to have played before. They are basically playing Hold Em within a Hi Lo game. This should be the easiest of easiest games, as Hi Lo is all about the lo... if it flops 345 and i hold A267, these players will stay in and want to play big pots with KK97, QQ78 and the likes... as they see it as hold em board with big pair on low board.... they will also want to play All in with 55KQ and the likes as they have trips... even though i have half the pot locked up already (anyone with basic understanding, this is a fold in a small pot, obv playing just for half and have to improve even for that) and they need to hit something to give them a FH, Quads, flush etc to survive.
Let me tell you these games are the hardest online, as the amount of times they survive in these situations is just ridiculous. To lose to someone playing in this manner, giving patience for 40mins, getting them in with ultra weak hands over and over, is really unlikely. Very likely online.
So what i take from that is the algorhythm has identified a long term profitable player over a beginner and identifying this game via stats, that its a premium game in this instance to retain custom. The idea being, i can afford a loss and this is a good game for the beginner/loser to claw back a bit to stay on site. I can take the hit in their eyes and it wont affect me, the site benefits by keeping a beginner/loser in the game. It can be passed off as 'variance'.
Remember, these players are subject to affordability to deposit, not a good thing that they lose in relation to their actual chances of winning here, big possibilty of losing that customer.
Site traffic is the number one concern to a site. Site traffic is key to maximise rake, fees, the only income for the site.
Now a high volume, very profitable player, the above game possibly could go the other way. There is a huge need to keep the high volume player as sweet as possible. The loser can be sweetened in games like against me, (profitable but smaller volume)... so the algorhythm is working all the time to identify the best outcome for sites profits.
The Sky nightly freeroll is perhaps the best example as you play there. The hand over hand monsters, changing leads, ridiculous flops in all in preflop situations are just an endless stream. 20 players get £40 tournament tickets that you can only use in ONE defined tournament as the prize.
Think about an algorhythm that identifies the best 20 who get those tickets, a mixture of high volume players and those whose latest large deposit is nearly dry. Then think about that ONE tournament you can enter and how the prizes there can go to the best option for the site in maintaining site traffic.... keeping high volume sweet and replenishing the needy players account that there are due to maybe leave otherwise. It will figure out the best outcome for the site, whatever that may be.
All i ask is that can you see if a poker site had a deck, that;
1 provided outcomes that maximised profit for the site
2 retained custom
3 kept high volume players happy
4 provided enhanced excitement for the increasing number of short attention span players that need it
5 was undetectable as testing was only done for often a cards comes out in relation to the others
6 could be explained as 'protecting the customer from losing beyond their means' if ever questioned (which is afterall, regulations number one priority)
7 could be quickly changed if regulation changed to include adequate 'poker odds testing' coming into force at a future date
Would you be willing to accept that there would be a huge decision in the board room to say 'no' to that, given the industry this is? Would you also accept that any morality issue is not a problem with them given their record on fines towards their marketing of vulnerable people?
All i ever asked is to be open to the possibility, given the huge incentives sites would have to manipulate decks.
Personally, its my opinion that the vast majority of sites could not survive with having a totally random deck.... due to the loss of players through going broke, regulation preventing them from depositing more due to breach of limits, high volume players needs for a high win rate and quite frankly, the youngsters just getting bored.
I think this where players look at it in the wrong manner. There is a suggestion 'what you think someone is watching you low stakes game and adjusting it specifically to make you lose' attitude. I can only offer what i have seen in hundreds of thousands of games and my take on it is, the deck will be written to provide a result that benefits a site most in any given game.Its a
I mean I was going to say that if they could rig it against players there is no way in a quintillion years I would of been profitible on sky poker. I do not know if these affordability checks and the likes you mention apply to every country, UK and I think Germany have them but does every country?
surely if your right though that algorithm favours only recs and very high volume players then you have known somewhere deep in your consciousness a way to print money hand over fist. Just go uber high volume then the algorithm favours you?
Are you sure you dont want to change that idea to all the high volume players are actually site bots/staff?
In all seriousness though if they did that wouldn't it actually be bad for rake and game liquidity? It sounds plausible at first but I would assume that the vast majority of very high volume players dont start that way, and even if they did theyd need trial through fire to get there.
If your right how many players who could have being high volume players quit along the way due to the extreme rigging? How many more regs and thus lowering edges and thus more site rake and more games running could there be?
I would hazard a guess that most people in online poker or live has suspected something amiss at some point thats not to say there is but variance can be a *****.
Cheating in gambling is as old as time it seems so having healthy skeptism and being open minded is only sensible.
There has in the past being a scandal or two in online poker the ultimate bet thing for example. However this was exposed with evidence, not just people saying they think something is off etc.
Thats the thing you seem to miss you see me as being open minded to the possibility so assume I am sitting on the fence or on your side on this one.
I am not, I definitly think its possible or could happen in the future I keep an open mind about the possibility of cheating happening in gambling as I think any gambler should so as to give themselves a chance to avoid being cheated. However that is not the same as concluding it is.
You need to provide evidence to be taken seriously.
Cool story for a sci-fi film.
You got a source for any of it?
And remember if your source is "I've seen it with my own eyes" that implies that you also have the hand histories available to proved it but weirdly always refuse to show.
Site traffic is the number one concern to a site. Site traffic is key to maximise rake, fees, the only income for the site.
So the sites relies solely on rake & fees for income and the best example of their rigging algorithm is a freeroll huh🙂
Personally, its my opinion that the vast majority of sites could not survive with having a totally random deck
Well, I am a long term profitable player and from what I read from you beginners are being helped versus my player profile. If true, that hurts my winrate.
So if was active on a site with an RNG helping the beginners I would certainly move to a different site with a true random deck (read: every site with rng certification)
And since I am a high volume players at decent stakes I pay a shitload of rake, so the random decked site would actually gain a lot of income and therfore increase their chance of survival.
