GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Is it possible fallguy is just AI programmed to love MJ.

I mean its him posting daily for like years on the same topic.

He's somewhat crazy too, says some nonsense that is really crazy or dellusional.
His last one was I believe he said the Lakers have the best roster in the league.
I mean thats completely crazy when OKC is a massive favorite to win the title.
If not for injuries OKC might have had a chance at the all time regular season wins record.
They started 24-1.

Seeding will be interesting. I think the Lakers want to avoid Denver in the first round. But
mostly likely the best 1st round series will be whoever the Lakers play. Either Denver, Houston,
or Minnesota. Houston would be fun, Lebron vs KD.

Is Lebron good or not?

If what you guys are saying is true - that he's the actual goat and still great at 41, then doesn't having Lebron as a 2nd or 3rd best player automatically give the Lakers the best roster?

See, the issue is that Lebron isn't still great at 41 (or the goat)... Specifically, 17/9/6 in today's game on mostly negative minutes while having cancerous fits for most of the year isn't "great"... Lebron held the Lakers back all year until he finally took a back seat and is now a 17 ppg guy - only when the Lakers got LESS LEBRON did the Lakers get back on track.... and even then we see that Reaves is still being held down..

So no, not great, and if you think Lebron is getting minimized now, just wait until the playoffs when guys actually play hard - he won't be playable AT ALL.. so bookmark this post ..... Here's how the Lakers will lose in the upcoming playoffs - a series will arise where Lebron isn't playable (for whatever reason, aka mismatch/defense, whatever)... Unfortunately, the dumb Lakers and media won't realize it until the Lakers are down 3-0... Lebron will finally get benched with a fake "injury" and Luka/Reaves will go on a 2 or 3 game tear (but still lose in 6 or 7)... Then everyone will question whether Lebron should've been benched earlier in the series.. They will hem and haw is if LeCanswer isn't obvious

The end .. Enjoy the rest of your season.

chatGPT says the following:

Quantitative Analysis
1. Longevity & Career Totals

LeBron James
40,000+ career points (all-time #1)
Top 10 all-time in assists
20+ seasons at an All-NBA level

Michael Jordan
32,292 points
Played 15 seasons (with 2 retirements)

�� Key takeaway: LeBron’s sustained elite production over two decades is unmatched. Jordan peaked higher as a scorer, but LeBron maintained greatness far longer.

2. Advanced Metrics

These try to capture total player impact:

Win Shares (total career)
LeBron: higher (due to longevity + sustained efficiency)

VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) - LeBron: #1 all-time

Box Plus-Minus (career) - Very close, slight edge to Jordan per season—but LeBron dominates cumulative value

�� Interpretation:

Jordan = slightly higher peak efficiency
LeBron = more total value across time

3. Playmaking & Versatility

LeBron:

~7–8 assists per game
Has played all 5 positions effectively
Often served as primary ball handler (point forward)

Jordan:
~5 assists per game
Primarily a scoring guard, elite but less positionally flexible

�� Conclusion: LeBron contributes more dimensions: scoring + playmaking + rebounding.

4. Playoff Production
LeBron:
Most playoff points in NBA history
10 Finals appearances

Jordan:
6 Finals appearances, 6–0 record

�� Nuance:
Jordan has the perfect Finals record, but LeBron:

Faced historically stronger teams (e.g., dynasties)
Carried weaker rosters deeper more often

�� Qualitative Analysis

1. Era & Competition Context
LeBron played in:
Pace-and-space era
More global talent pool
Superteams and player movement

Jordan played in:
More physical defensive era
Less offensive spacing

�� Argument for LeBron: greater strategic complexity + deeper talent pool

2. Team Dependency

LeBron:
Teams often collapse when he leaves (Cavs, Heat second stint, Lakers post-prime stretches)

Jordan:
Chicago Bulls remained competitive with Scottie Pippen when Jordan first retired

�� LeBron appears more system-defining, not just system-dominating.

3. Adaptability

LeBron has:

Won championships with 3 different franchises
Miami Heat
Cleveland Cavaliers
Los Angeles Lakers

Won with different play styles:
Isolation-heavy
Fast-break
Half-court playmaking

Jordan:

Won all titles in one system under Phil Jackson’s triangle offense

�� LeBron shows greater system independence and adaptability

4. Basketball IQ & Control

LeBron is often described as:

A “player-coach”
Elite at reading defenses in real time
One of the best passers ever at his size

Jordan:

Relied more on scoring dominance and killer instinct

�� Argument: LeBron impacts every possession intellectually and physically

5. Physical Profile

LeBron:
6'9", ~250 lbs
Combines size of a forward with guard skills

Jordan:
6'6", ~215 lbs
More traditional shooting guard build

�� LeBron’s build allows:

Defensive versatility (guard 1–5)
Offensive mismatch creation at all times

⚖️ The Core Argument

LeBron:

Slightly lower peak than Jordan
➜ but
Far greater longevity
More complete skillset
More total value across career
More adaptability across teams and eras
�� Bottom Line

If you prioritize:

Peak dominance → Jordan has the edge
Total impact, versatility, and longevity → LeBron has the stronger case

�� The pro-LeBron conclusion:

LeBron James provides the greatest overall basketball value in NBA history, combining elite scoring, playmaking, durability, and adaptability in a way no player—including Michael Jordan—has matched.

See, the issue is that you guys think Lebron has been a big part of the Lakers' recent success.

That so cute.

The reality is that great players in their prime always step it up at this time of year, and that's what we've seen from Mr. 40 ppg Luka Doncic.

He's been so good that Lebron had been forced to get in line for the "pippen" role - it's a role that plays exclusively off the defensive attention paid to Mr. 40 ppg.. A complete robot "system player" designed to be carried and coddled like a baby..

Essentially, Luka is THAT GREAT that he's elevating the Lakers despite Lebron not actually being that good anymore.. It's like doing pullups with a 25 kg bucket around your waist.

fallguy nobody is saying 41 year old Lebron is playing in terms of GOAT peak, the very fact he is still even an ABOVE AVERAGE NBA player at 41 is insane.

He is clearly still very good, in fact this season he is a more efficient scorer than Jordan was for his *career* (.593 TS% vs .569 Jordan career, .557 efg% vs .509 Jordan career).

Yeah his usage is still down but pretty tough to argue he isn't being efficient.

How can Lebron have maintained greatness longer when he was only MVP over a tight 5 year window (09-13'), while MJ was MVP throughout a 10 year window (88-98').. No one maintained MVP caliber longer than MJ.

Lebron was also a negative this year and last year, and also the Westbrook year (22').. It also isn't "great" to get upset in the 1st Round with top 5 teammates (AD, Luka).. That's actually all-time BAD... So he hasn't been "great" for a while, and he wasn't "great" in 2019 either.. AD lifted the Lakers out of lottery by leading the scoring and turning the defense from worst to first.

The efficiency numbers mean literally nothing due to the entire league shooting better in today's cupcake format, and also due to style of play - Lebron's losing, drive-heavy attack has always had slightly better shooting efficiency, but worse efficiency per possession (due to turnovers), and worse shooting efficiency in clutch-time, and also worse ball movement/chemistry/brand of ball/winning.. I'll trade a couple percentage points in TS for all that... The difference is massive - we're talking dynasties (Jordan) vs preseason favorites that barely win 50 games, thereby falling to perennial underdogs (Lebron-ball).. Btw, I'm pretty sure that Kevin Willis, Malone, Stockton and Kareem were above-average at 41 too

See, the issue is that you guys think Lebron has been a big part of the Lakers' recent success.

That so cute.

The reality is that great players in their prime always step it up at this time of year, and that's what we've seen from Mr. 40 ppg Luka Doncic.

He's been so good that Lebron has been forced to get in line for the "pippen" role - it's a role that plays exclusively off the defensive attention paid to Mr. 40 ppg.. A complete robot "system player" designed to be carried and coddled like a baby..

Essentially, Luka is THAT GREAT that he's elevating the Lakers despite Lebron not actually being that good anymore.. It's like doing pullups with a 25 kg bucket around your waist.

Anyone who thinks that basketball is easier today when the player pool is much larger and the players have had 30+ more years of knowledge and science to build on from the 90s is, well, interesting.

The bigger player pool is offset by the biggest portion of that pool getting far weaker than prior eras.

aka American basketball is in the sh*tter... Ant, Ja and Tatum don't compare to Shaq, MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Robinson, etc.

It's a HUUUGE gap.. Heck, Tatum and those guys are on the Pippen/Penny/Miller tier (secondary tier).

In addition to American basketball cratering, 4 of 5 positions in today's game are the shortest they've ever been... For example, there were dozens of starting 6'7" shooting guards each year of the 90's, but zero today, and almost no 6'6" SG's, so Jordan's defenders would be a full 2-3 inches shorter than prior eras... He would face a bunch of 6'4" and 6'5" guys, and also zero rim protection or paint traffic compared to prior eras

Then there's the rules .. lmao... A joke... the CONSENSUS among players, coaches and media (even Rich Paul) is that Jordan would average 40 ppg for several seasons today.. This confirms that today's game must be easier.. Case closed - if MJ would average 40, then the game must be easier.

Another 10 assists for Lebron last night

that's WAAAAY too much.

He can't get that many touches anymore - the Lakers are simply better without him, so that Reaves can have 100% freedom to play at the All-NBA caliber he possesses... It's crazy that everyone is letting Lebron hold back an obvious budding star.

Lakers are simply doomed with Lebron because the idea is to surround Luka and Reaves with DEFENDERS.. That's how Luka/Kyrie won the West a couple years ago

So Lebron is literally just in the way of the Lakers' success... It's time to put on our big boy pants and admit it

I'll take your word for it that Lebron was a more efficient scorer by your numbers, though hard to believe. But it's very misleading even if true. If this is true it's only because Jordan would take shots making shots for himself that Lebron was never capable of doing the way Jordan did. Plus teams played better defense vs Jordan since they knew he was the number one priority to stop. Double teams and total team defense was centered on him. Not to mention they played defense in Jordan's time. And i doubt Jordan cared that much bout this stat when he was putting up 63 against Boston in the playoffs. He wasn't just waiting til he was wide open to shoot. He created shots that no human was or ever has since been able to do. But when i watched Jordan and the game(every game) was in it's last minutes he was the most effecient and high scorer in the history of the league. If Jordan only shot when he was open i think he'd be more effecient.

That's 23 straight years with 1000 pts. and over 20 points per game for LeBron. If he gets that up around 30 or so it's going to be hard to break. Some would argue that 23 is going to be hard to break (but probably not Fallguy).

I'm starting to wonder if Fallguy IS Michael Jordan.

The funniest one is his conclusion that the American's aren't dominating anymore means the game has got worse.

That's just a guy with a conclusion working backwards.

Actually thinking he would be able to score in the NBA after not being able to score in D3 College Ball.

Taking bad shots does not mean good at basketball.

"Americans not dominating anymore" isn't what I said

I said Americans are simply worse at basketball than they used to be... Since the biggest portion of the NBA (Americans) is worse than prior eras, the NBA is worse than prior eras.. It's not complicated

And that opinion is insane in itself

And this is your take, as a result of the Americans not dominating any more.

Kareem had all those records but no one cared because back then we were smart enough to understand that playing at a lower level for longer (longevity) means nothing in the goat debate or player comparisons.. i.e. Reggie Miller isn't a better scorer than Bird just because he scored 3k more points.. Back then we were smart enough to understand this because we hadn't fallen to the bottom educationally like we have now.. We rank near the bottom educationally among developed nations and a new generation of loser men have let women outpace them in college degrees and good jobs.

I'm just calling a spade a spade - aka giving a sh*t about point totals is the height of dumbness, and it's a product of our race to the bottom intellectually as a country... It's absolutely absurd that people pretend (or actually think) career totals matter, and this wouldn't be possible if the new generation wasn't simply much dumber... Test scores and aptitude tests confirm the newer generation is literally the dumbest ever and ranks worse compared to other countries than ever before... It's literally an epidemic of dumbness that goes all the way to the top.

Americans underperforming expectation in international competition is only minor evidence.

The MAJOR evidence is much simpler.

Any Tom, Dick, and Harry can see that Shaq, MJ, Hakeem, Robinson, Barkley, and company were FAR SUPERIOR to today's best Americans like Cade, Ant, Ja, Tatum, etc...

Again, guys like Cade, Ja and company were on the secondary tier like Penny, KJ, or Miller... Today's best Americans would barely fit on this secondary tier of prior eras.

And of course today's players are shorter - Jordan's defenders would be 2-3 inches shorter than prior eras... And of course the beginner format/rules produce weaker skillsets, aka PNR drive-and-kick robots that lack true instinct of the game (because they grew up in a beginner format).

International competition is tougher now than it was in the 90s.

Players today have 30+ years of incremental knowledge and science

Nobody is saying if Barkley was born in 2000 he wouldn't be an NBA player today, but if the Barkley of the 90s was dropped in to today's game he would be, at best, a middle of the pack player.

Jordan's defenders may be shorter but they'd also be MUCH better defenders, especially as team defense is much more complex and comprehensive now.