2/5 we hit trips on river, nit bets small

I favor calling. I think we are ahead most of the time but we never get called by the total bluffs and often get re-raised by the better hands.

I'm raising.

V was in BB so his range definitely includes hands like JT, J9, J8, even J7. We aren't going to get bluffed in this spot, so if V raises we can fold. V isn't likely to have AJ, that hand might donk flop, could stab turn especially with As. V likely doesn't have the A high flush, because he would have bet earlier, and we can discount smaller flushes too. Sometimes we will run into a boat, but more often than not I think this size is exactly what it looks like - Jx with a weak kicker. I'd go for something like $80.

I favor a raise to 50 and fold to a reraise. But I think raising is thin value because V has lots of Jx but also suited spades.

This is often a ‘weak stab’ that will likely just fold if you raise, so you might as well call. He could be nutted, was hoping you bet and is now trying to squeeze out a little more value. All the more reason just to call.

I guess I would limp some in this game with everyone checking flop and turn, not used to that. As the PFR, my foot is usually on the gas, until I meet resistance.

I would call, for all I know he has a straight and is worried about flushes and boats.

We call and be glad that he bet the hand for us with a reasonable amount. Pretty much a perfect situation really. This is how much we'd like to bet, but now we can't get raised by putting our $20 out there.

The only way to improve on this is fold pre or challenge villain earlier. You finally attacked, met resistance and correctly folded.

You do a lot more ‘stop & go’ stuff than me. I would have trouble reading your lines. I think I would label you a wide opener.

Wide pre-flop, tight post-flop
Wide pre-flop, fit or fold
I see a lot of it, more willing to float
when I can take it away on many boards

Not talking about you mango, you didn’t do this…
But in general it’s like a ‘snap fish’ to me when a player opens wide in early position.

Grunch:

PRE - over-limp or raise bigger.

FLOP - check is fine. I wouldn't hate a small c-bet.

TURN - check is fine.

RIVER - hard to find the worse hands that would call a raise. Maybe just AQ?

I probably just flat call.

He's probably not betting weak trips into three opponents on this board.

If you think he has weak trips, do you think those hands are calling a 5x raise from the PFR, when we can have all the better hands?

BB bets into 3 people trying to get a crying call with a premium. Raising doesn't accomplish much as you aren't trying to bluff, and you don't have fat value. If you did want to raise - you want to target an Ax holding as it's unlikely he has a jack - but if he did he should turn it into a bluff as you never have fat value here yourself. No OR is ever going to check back this flop with a fat value hand except for maybe JQ and even than it should likely be stabbed.

That means your $100 raise is bad - and if you did want to raise you should make it very small.

Not sure why you decided to check this flop - as this imo is a mandatory 25% pot bet as you just have so many turns you gonna like including the one you got.

As played I hate the raise to $100 and I don't like the checks around. If you made it $40 - $50 I wouldn't mind it but I think calling is best.

There is 100 in the pot, and he bet 20 and people are saying raise to 50. That is ridiculous. Either flat call or raise to 100 / fold to 3! as played.

The 1/5 pot bet is weird, particularly on such a wet board, so it isn't surprising he was apparently inducing.

Curious what you think he has here.

What are his better hands? Assume he has some 3B frequency pre with AJ, and some frequency of leading turn, and might bet bigger on the river with a boat. There are only 3 combos of AJ possible. Maybe he shows up with just 1 of those combos.

There are only 3 combos of QJ available. And 3 of 44. He could also have 3 combos of KJ. 3 of JT, etc.

When he bets 20% pot, he could have KJ, JT, J9, maybe some other Jx combos, and maybe AQo.

If we were going to bet 20% pot on the river, and 3B over a 5x raise, what hands might we have when we do that? And would we just click it back to $200 with a boat?

I'm not sure I buy that he only has boats here when he clicks it back. He's giving himself a mighty good price to turn his hand into a bluff.

Yeah, it is read dependent and I wouldn't be happy about folding. The click back doesn't really make sense for value and the 1/5 pot lead doesn't make sense either. Not sure how many 2/5 players would bluff that way here, and how many 2/5 players would raise to 100 with trips and fold to a min-click.

FWIW I think bet turn has to be better than raising river, and I would probably bet turn too much here with the Ks.

I would just shrug call river always with this hand, you block a bunch of value but hand isn't really good enough to raise. Block bet is strong because of that.

Given read that V is tight postflop I think hero calling river 3bet is v. bad.

Mot obvious hand is some form of QJ, and I don't think it needs to be suited given preflop read. Random limp/calls QJ, checks middle pair, checks two pair on a super wet board, min. bets river assuming it's the nuts hoping to get called by something and still assumes it's the nuts when raised.

AJ also makes some sense, and would assume AA is there more often than JT or worse.

Villain isn't getting that good price on the bluff. There is 140 in the pot and he is putting in 180. He is putting in 180 to win 220, so 1.2-1 odds on a his bluff if he is bluffing.

I may be over-thinking it. But the action seems kinda fishy...

V can defend his BB pretty wide. Gotta think AJ gets 3B at some frequency when the HJ is in there as a limp and the BTN flats hero's open. He could flat the BB with 44, and a lot of JX. He might also flat with AQo, and a lot of AX, including A4.

When hero checks the flop, in a four-way pot, it seems unlikely hero is going to have AA/QQ. If V has AQ, it's even less likely. If V has JX, hero can't have JJ. Hard for anyone to feel good betting any QJ or AJ combo on the turn when KT and the FDFD comes in. Might not feel super-awesome betting KT, even KTss.

What hands can hero have that would raise pre, check flop, and check-back turn? Probably not the nut flush. Probably not AA/QQ/AQ. Maybe hero has AK, KTss, AJ, QJ, some other AX combos, whatever doesn't want to bet and get check-raised.

On the Jc river, V's combos of QJ lose to hero's combos of AJ. It's hard to think hero is going to call with just AK/AX when there's a three-flush and three Broadway cards on board. What hands can hero have that V can target for value here? It would seem like JX and KT are the bottom of hero's calling range.

So, V decides to block-bet QJ for thin value, and hero raises a kinda chunky 5x. V is going to click it back with QJ? Trying to get called by what? Worse JX or KTss? That may only be 3 combos. Hero has that many combos of AJ, too.

If we were V, betting QJ for thin value, and got raised 5x, would we click it back? If we did, would we call if hero jammed?

I dunno. Something doesn't smell right to me. I think if V decides he's targeting 3 combos of JX and KTss, and we raise, he's probably not 3B'ing QJ, because he can only get called by better, never worse. If he had AJ, he could expect to get called by QJ, and he might size up a bit.

This click-back makes me wonder if he was planning to raise-fold, or if he may have turned something with showdown value into a bluff. Not sure what, but logically, it would have to be something that blocks some of hero's really strong hands. Maybe something like AsQx, JxTs, maybe As4x, if he's REALLY wide pre.

I guess I'm saying I'd have a hard time laying down KJo with the Ks to a min-click here. If we raised because we think V is betting worse for value, why are we folding to a min-click?

Raising river is bad with 98th nuts and calling the re-raise would be even worse.