1/2/4: Did I just miss a spot to make a nit fold QQ?

I wouldn't necessarily go by what some other player told us. Other players lie.

I probably would have just c-bet the flop when they both checked. If one / both call, I think we could check back turn and try to get to showdown.

I don't think it makes sense to min-click the turn raise. What would you be repping, after you check back the flop? If you did click it, I'm not sure BB actually does fold QQ on this board.

It doesn't make sense to bluff catch if we think our hand beats their value range. We should just raise for value. But if we're doing that on the turn, then we had the best hand on the flop, and should have bet then.

If you read him as a mega-nit who only has overpairs, then I guess you played it fine.

But if he has TT and even a few combos of flush draws you have way more than enough equity to just get it in. This is one of those spots where it's still profitable to lose a whole bunch of the time.

Board: 5d4d5s
Equity Win Tie
MP2 66.51% 64.81% 1.70% { TT+, AdKd, AdQd, KdQd }
MP3 33.49% 31.79% 1.70% { JdJh }

You need 23% to break even and you have almost 1.5x that given this range for the villain. Don't fold.

Also, villain is lying saying he would have folded QQ and views you as tight. Your screen name is "6betfold". I'm sure that's hyperbolic, but I doubt you're kind of player who inspires regs to fold their overpairs.

Flop is an easy cbet. You can still cbet 1/5-1/4 even if you have monster under the bed syndrome.

BB could have whatever, your range seems heavily capped. I guess we can make a tight fold if we rely on our reads preflop.

350 eff, this is less than 100bb factoring in the straddle. BB isn't folding anything if you jam besides random spazz. If he did have QQ he isn't folding, if he had a flush draw he isn't folding as well. He already committed like what 280 into the pot, so he has like 70 behind, you expect him to fold anything???

I guess minclicking the turn to 140 is fine but QQ isn't folding imho. Your range is still heavily capped when you check back the flop.
But that said, isn't it better to fold to CO's bet in the first place knowing BB has QQ+?

I honestly felt (correctly) that BB has QQ+ here like 90% of the time hence the flop check back. When he checks twice though, that changed things a little in my mind which is why now I was basically playing it like it’s HU vs CO.

As far as repping goes, I don’t think it matters because they were just playing their hands and would instantly put me on a monster if I raised at any point.

I didn’t think he was capable of checking QQ twice.

I'm confused. How can you minclick? Isn't there like only $70 on top when he makes it $230? $350 effective - $50 for the 3!, leaves $300, and he bet $230? He's never folding.

The flop is a pure mistake. There's no reason to pot control, bet $50 at it. Assuming Vs were honest about their holdings, then SB probably raises and BB at least calls - now you can just go away and lose on $50. If SB stays cautious and flats, is BB going to x/r with a FD into a raise and a call? He has to feel like he's trying to suck out. So they both check, then you can check back, turn, and get a free card. Quite often, taking the aggressive action leads to a better pot control line than checking. You lost $70 because you tried to control the size of the pot, where you could have bet $50 and just gone away when Vs start piling in money. The bottom line is that if you're passing over control of the pot, you lose your ability to pot control. Betting small is often greater than checking for actually controlling the pot.

Betting clears out AK/AQ without FD that might have called your 3! and QQ+ is incentivized to declare themselves and let you off the hook. If called, you can be reasonably confident you're against a FD or maybe a middling pp and proceed from there. When they start piling money in, well your gut already told you when this guy flats your 3! you might be beat.

I see no reason to try to turn an overpair into a bluff against a larger overpair.

He happened to have QQ. We can't necessarily logically infer that he only has QQ+ when he cold calls pre. I'd actually discount QQ+ and give him a range weighted towards lower PP's and Broadway combos.

If he's checking QQ+ twice, that doesn't mean he's folding to your hypothetical turn raise. He could be trapping, and would be ecstatic if you raised.

If we c-bet flop, and we're concerned about him having QQ+, we can check back turn. If we think he's got a lot of lower PP's we can raise CO on the turn.

I do think it matters what we're repping. What monsters do we have on the turn when we check back this flop? The turn completes no draws. We're not often 3B'ing pre with 55/44/54/A5s/65s and checking back the two-tone flop with trips , a boat, or quads. We're not ofren raising turn with 99 when we're IP, and we want our opponents draws to get there on the river.

We'd mostly be repping over-pairs. Are we typically checking back flop with them? A decent and aggro opponent could put all our over-pairs into the blender by 3B'ing, knowing we're capped at 1P.

If you raised turn and either opponent 3B, are you calling with any of your over-pairs? I wouldn't.

Read my post again.

Wait, did he show QQ? Or did he just show that one card, the Qd?

Hard to think BB is going to just flat pre with QQ, and then decide he always has the best hand on the turn, when there's a 1/2 pot bet and a call next to act.

When we flat call, we could have all the trips, boats, and quads in our range. QdQx is just an over-pair with a blocker to a flush draw that hasn't even come in. He really only beats bluffs, TT/JJ, and slivers of 9x.

This feels like Q9dd more than QQ with Qd. At least Q9dd blocks 99, AQdd and A9dd, and might be able to fold out some better draws or target them for value. Q9dd has more opportunity to improve, and loses to fewer combos.

Did you read V’s description? The guy is a ROCK.

And why wouldn’t QQ check raise here? Neither of us should have 5x in a 3b pot almost ever. And once I go check flop/call turn, he has no reason to believe I can have KK+.

I’d myself check raise and commit with QQ there if I played preflop and flop this way, given two flush draws.

I did read it.

Did he show QQ, or just the Qd?

If you believe that he would cold call pre with QQ+, and check twice in a multi-way pot, on a wet and dynamic board, ok, but we need to be pretty certain about that. Even if he's a rock, there has to be a point at which he starts trying to build a pot.

I assume that you are 350 effective with both players here.
You are starting the hand 87 straddles deep and have an SPR of 2 on the flop. I think that a small c bet (1/4 pot) on this flop is better than checking. There are so many cards that we don't want to see OTT. If the BB raises us we can safely fold OTF and if he calls then we can shut it down and check back the turn when he likely checks. I don't think we should be folding to the CO here OTF unless he were to raise after we bet AND BB called or raised.

As played, I think that a shove on the turn is best after CO bets. Given your description, BB seems very AK/QQ heavy at this point.
After CO bets the turn, the pot is 220 and you are 230 back. (Assuming you're 350 efective with both players). CO can do this for value with all sorts of hands that you beat; both flush draws, A9s, TT. I think that both getting it in against CO's range OR folding out both players' equity are fine results. Against Nitty Mcnitt in the BB, I think we can heavily discount AA with his flat to your 3! from the BB and checking twice. If you raise CO's bet, he will likely view you as very strong and may actually fold QQ to that action.

It's obviously high variance, but after checking the flop I like a shove OTT after CO bets 70.

AP, I don't think we're good here often enough to call BB's C/R. If he happens to have exactly AKdd or AKss, then we get bluffed..