Hit Full House on the Flop - Am I being too hasty?

Your line of limp/flat/donk just screams "I have a four!"

Generally you only want to donk bet if you're worried your opponents will check back hands you beat that would have called a value bet. Or if they have hands you don't want to draw for free. Here, I don't think that's a risk. Villains with Ax are going to bet here. Villains without Ax are just waiting for their turn to fold.

Also, sometimes everyone just has junk and there's nothing you can do about it.

I can see why you limp/called, but a lot of people here would not approve of preflop. Folding initially UTG might have been better.

The lead was small. I would not do that, because as other Deuce says, it represents trips. Also, you aren't building the pot much. You won't get much action if no one has an ace or 4, and you block both of those. There are problems with slow playing, as pps will fold to a bet, but can only catch up to something that beats you.

Very hard for anyone to hit something though. They either have an A or 4 or they don't. If someone has KQ, they can hit a pair, but aren't going to get much from them then. If they have a pp, they do have 2 boat outs, but then they beat you. I guess you can hope someone will make a flush or straight draw.

Grunch:

PRE - don't open limp from UTG.

Other than that, I don't hate the over-call, but I'd be mighty tempted to put in a back raise here. It looks very credible that we have AA/KK, we block AA, and even if we get called, we might flop a flush draw, a combo draw, or apparently, a goddam full house.

Who called? Was it two players sitting behind UTG1, or the blinds? It matters.

FLOP - why are you donking into the PFR when there are two players left to act behind him? Just check in flow, let him c-bet. If he doesn't, one of the players behind may stab at it.

Answers:
1. There is no merit in donking out here. If the PFR was last to act and the other players were between us and him, then it would make sense to donk, so that they can call, and we can get value from them in scenarios where the PFR is going to be doing a lot of checking back.

2. Yes, obviously your $15 bet scared them off. You literally have no bluffs here. All those PP's you're worried about are drawing to 2 outs. Ax is drawing to 2 combos to make a bigger boat. You'd love it if AK catches a K. If you're scared to check a full house on this dry as toast board, poker may not be your game.

3. I believe you're right. You shot yourself in the foot in order to avoid the risk of stepping on a landmine.

Just play raise or fold pre. If you raised (or 3B) pre, they will NEVER put you on A4 here. At best you might get credit for AK, and all our opponents' worse AX will call a flop c-bet for the IO of making aces up and stacking us, not realizing they're drawing almost dead.

BTW, don't listen to the whales who criticize your pre-flop line. You played it just fine.

See, they get their poker advice from youtubers who play 800BB's deep on television with other people's money. In real life 1/3 games, your winrate comes from value-betting for stacks. Suited aces make nut flushes, and nut flushes can play for all of it.

Priority 1 is seeing the flop as cheaply and with as high implied odds as possible.

Yeah, the limp/call may be OK if it will go as a limped pot often or if there is a decent chance of a 3! if it get raised. A 6-way limped pot would be very good for you. Not sure though how profitable playing this hand 4-ways OOP is for this much of your stack whether you raised or limped.

Doc is also right that you can consider 3-betting when it comes back to you, representing AA. It depends on reads of how strong the raiser's hand is and how the table plays.

If I am villain and I don’t have an ace - then I fold. I’m all about hit your hand, bet your hand, but in this case I think you need to act weak (check) and let people catch up.

It’s kinda a bad feeling folding everyone in a spot like this, but sometimes it happens.

Why didn’t you check to the raiser?
Are you a nit that breathes on the pot & everyone folds?
Your donk says I hit this flop - if they don’t have an ace, they’re gone.

1. Sometimes you have to take a passive line to get value. Worry less about it checking thru, and more about someone making a hand to challenge you. You don’t want anyone thinking you have something.

2. It wasn’t the size of the bet, it was declaring by donk that you hit a flop that’s very hard to hit.

3. I don’t know if you missed a lot of value as villain(s) may not catch up enough, but the donk was not good.

i dont mind the bet but if you do bet bigger. if no one has an ace you are getting anything anyway.

I don't like the donk nor the sizing, but it is really hard for anyone to catch up to hand you beat and gives action on this board.

Preflop limp is probably good. However, you need to be willing to limp/fold to a big raise likely HU or 3-way and occasionally limp/3-bet in the right situation. You prefer a limped pot to a raised pot, and you probably have fold if it is 3!. It will be 3! a lot less if you limp and a lesser loss folding one BB than 4-5 BBs if you had raised.

It's pretty hard to get paid in this spot because you've got so much of the board locked up. If no one else has an ace or a 4 you're not likely to win much.

That being said you should likely be checking your entire range as played preflop. If the preflop raiser has an ace they likely bet, and they might also bet with air to try to represent an ace. If someone bets you can either check raise or call and try to act like you have something like a weak ace. The PFR might continue betting into you if they have a strong ace.

Also this hand demonstrates why you don't want to be limp calling such a big raise preflop. Even when you get the perfect flop, you also need someone else to make a second best hand in order to win a big pot. It's just not going to happen often enough to make up for all times you miss and have to check fold, make a pair of aces but are up against a better ace, etc.

It may not be profitable to play this hand in a raised pot. However, if so, it is better to limp/fold (or sometimes limp/3!) or fold initially. Limping is superior to raising at a table with about half limped pots. You prefer a limped pot and multiway, and you don't want a 3! pot.