$5/$5 NLHE – Facing Turn Overbet With QQ, OESD
Game: $5/$5 NLHE, local cash game
Stacks: ~$1,000 effective
Villain: Button. Late 20s, early 30s, drinking, playing loose and splashy. Seen him stab when checked to and fire large bets with questionable hands. He called off about $500 previously in the session against with 5/6 off suit when when I jammed over a continuation bet. He’s also bluffed off several stacks with air.
________________________________________
Preflop
UTG opens to $15.
Hero (EP) with Q♣ Q♥ , 3-bets to $55.
Folds to BTN who calls.
Blinds and UTG folds.
Pot: ~$130
________________________________________
Flop
J♦ 9♥ 5♥
Hero checks range.
BTN bets $65 (~40% pot).
Hero calls.
Pot: ~$260
________________________________________
Turn
T♦
Board: J♦ 9♥ 5♥ T♦
Hero checks.
BTN now overbets $325 (~130% pot).
At this point I’m thinking his range can contain:
• big combo draws
• pair + draw hands
• or complete air
• two pair
Hero has an overpair which may be good, and an OESD.
Hero has about $900 behind.
Rather than call and navigate a lot of ugly rivers a jam seems reasonable to:
• deny equity from draws
• fold out hands like AJh / AKd / Tx / any pair+draw / any suited broadway
• leverage fold equity while still having outs if called and prevent a suckout
We block KQ and still have 3 outs to a chop worst case scenario. We block heart draws with the Q♥ but villain has been so loose I don't really put him on much of anything.
What are you doing here? Call, Fold or Jam?
5 Replies
Against this guy I'm x/ring flop big and playing for stacks
Game: $5/$5 NLHE, local cash gameStacks: ~$1,000 effectiveVillain: Button. Late 20s, early 30s, drinking, playing loose and splashy. Seen him stab when checked to and fire large bets with questionable hands. He called off about $500 previously in the session against with 5/6 off suit when when I jammed over a continuation bet. He’s also bluffed off several stacks with air._____
against this villain I would c bet (big). Why check against a drunk drooler who called for stacks with 56o when you have an overpair?
but also, as played why don't you have 99, 1010 and JJ in his range? If I had those hands, I'd bet big here given how wet the board is
There needs to be a character limit on hands that get posted. These wall-of-text posts are just exhausting.
We don't actually want to know your thought process or range estimations. That's the point of the discussion forum. Otherwise, what's the point of the post? You already thought it all through. You gave villain a range. You calculated your odds. You know the stack sizes. Do the math and pick the right play. What do you need from us?
OP should have looked like this:
UTG opens 15, Hero 3b 55, BTN call, UTG fold. Heads up. Pot $130
Flop J♦ 9♥ 5♥
Hero x, V 65, call
Turn T♦
Hero x, V 325....Hero?
That's it.
Furthermore, there is no such thing as "range checks". There's no universe where there's one single play for every poker situation. This "range" play stuff is just nonsense jargon being sold by amateur coaches and content creators. In real life it's just lazy poker analysis.
Next, your range analysis seems pretty iffy. I agree he can have big combo draws, pair+draws, and two pair. I don't agree that he has complete air. If you really believe that, then what are we even talking about??? Get the money in. You are way ahead of complete air . Also, you never mentioned sets. He cold-called a 3-bet pre-flop which typically means pocket pairs even against villains who are slobbering spewdrunks.
I also don't agree that your jam has much, if any, fold equity.
The range I gave for the villain here is probably not complete. But at this point, any hands we add will only make the situation better for you.
Board: Jd9h5hTd
Equity Win Tie
MP2 54.09% 52.41% 1.69% { QhQc }
BU 45.91% 44.22% 1.69% { 99+, 55, AJs, KQs, QTs, J9s+, T8s+, AdKd, AhKh, AdQd, AhQh, Jh8h, AJo, KJo, QJo }
You're ahead. Get it in.
i dont see how you can do anything but call. you really dont beat much. he has 78, sets, JT, J9, rarely KQ. you are praying he has KJ or AJ which he might not overbet turn.
Game: $5/$5 NLHE, local cash gameStacks: ~$1,000 effectiveVillain: Button. Late 20s, early 30s, drinking, playing loose and splashy. Seen him stab when checked to and fire large bets with questionable hands. He called off about $500 previously in the session against with 5/6 off suit when when I jammed over a continuation bet. He’s also bluffed off several stacks with air._____
Grunch:
PRE - with this guy on the BTN, I think we could go a tad larger with our 3B size, but that's nitpicking when you're already over 3X.
FLOP - I don't mind the range check to this V. I also wouldn't mind a 1/3 pot c-bet.
As played, I'm somewhat torn between flatting to let him continue bluffing or betting worse for value, and raising to get more money into the pot before an action killing card dribbles off.
If he's really loose, he could conceivably have all the 2P, sets, combo draws, FD's, OESD's, DGSSD's, GSSD's, and of course total air. My decision to call or raise would depend heavily on how I think he'll respond. If we're not sure, I don't mind flatting and seeing a turn.
TURN - yeesh.
If we know he's capable of barreling with his bluffs and / or worse value, or we think he may slow down and check back the river, I think we can flat call.
I wouldn't be certain our hand is best now. And I don't know if he'd call a jam without a better hand or a good draw with a ton of equity. We're drawing somewhat slim against 2P+, so this seems more like a call or fold decision, rather than a jam or fold decision.
It really comes down to our reads. Personally I might just flat call and see what happens on the river.
If we've seen him triple barrel with bluffs and thin value, we may have to block bet/fold or check-evaluate. If we improve to a straight we can donk for a small size and pray he comes over the top. If we think he's capable of firing again on a K, for a large size, we can go for the x/r.
