GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

There's no video that shows a carry - there's no video that shows his hand under the ball or any sort of carry.

The nascent fan can only assume he carried, while those of us that played and tried to duplicate the move know better.. It's a nearly irreplicable move, and I've only ever seen the greatest ballhandlers of all time pull it off in games.. And yet even they can't pull it off as effectively as MJ did.

I mean the ball didn't go up and down like it would if it wasn't a carry.

That's because he did a high dribble, similar to a hesi.... It happens all the time

Here's Steph doing MJ's move but MJ's is slightly different:

^^^^ MJ's is a little different because his 2nd last dribble has a little shoulder juke after the dribble - so it's sicker and closer to Kyrie's motion on his last move of this clip:

Still a carry mate.

if you ain't carrying, you ain't cool

Again, his hand wasn't under the ball, so no.... <--- that's evidence (his hand not being under the ball), while you provided no evidence.. you simply stated a delusion that you wish were true

Again, MJ's goat standard meant that be didn't carry, travel, flop, collude, or airball FT's - only Lebron does that

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Last week, Windhorst said that Lebron isn't good off-ball, and now Max Kellerman states that Jordan always shot threes well at today's volumes:

Essentially, Jordan's career 3-pt percentage reflects BAILOUT VOLUME, whereas he always shot well when he had today's volumes

Shai is shooting 38% on 4.5 attempts this year, so Jordan would easily do that, since he already did 38% on 3 attempts in 1990 as an experimentor of the shot - it was his first time over 1.5 attempts (bailout volume).

Jordan already won the 93' title with 39% on 4 attempts in the playoffs, which is better than 19' Kawhi or 25' Shai.. Again , with no practice.. Carry on

Also you are so obsessed with LeBron you've managed to mention him in your comment when he wasn't even a point of discussion.

You're going to have to make your mind up if these guys know anything or not.

No, the media is simply forced to acknowledge the ever-growing sample size of Lebron sucking.

Otoh, I didn't need the sample size and have been saying this stuff for decades.

The things that the media is saying now - aka lebron isn't good off-ball and cannot fit with many player-types, or that Jordan always shot well at today's volumes - are things that I've said for decades while you and many others laughed me off forums.. But now the sample size is big enough for you and the media to see that I was right all along ..

So let's summarize - Lebron's skillset has weak chemistry and therefore low team-ceilings/Finals records.. His standard is to barely win 50 games with the preseason favorite, thereby falling to perennial underdog and loser.. No one in history underachieved rosters more than Lebron (barely winning 1 chip with sure-fire DYNASTY rosters), and this underachievement occurred because he eschewed sophisticated 5-man offenses and instead he tried to turn the suboptimal skillset of high-scoring, primary ballhandling (aka ball-dominance and imposing spot-up roles) into an offense..

and yet Res Ipsa Loquitur. "the thing speaks for itself".

^^^ that's WAY inside the ft line...

Jordan took off from further numerous times and from nearly the elbow - this includes a chest-to-chest poster over Laimbeer in transition and another dunk from nearly the elbow with Majerle trailing, among other near-elbow dunks.

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Which player today can do this with the same level of QUICKNESS and FLUIDITY:

^^^^^ Superior quickness and fluidity than today's players, and this was 35 years ago!!!!!

In addition to superior quickness and fluidity, Jordan was taller than today's SG's, who are mostly 6'4" or 6'5" with baby hands (and zero starting 6'7" SG's today).

Jordan has as many further game dunks as I do.

I mean you could just say that LeBron's dunk was awesome and incredible for someone of that size, but.. well you know...

Why must I compliment the dunk?.. You're just trying to lower the bar for Lebron, aka you're trying to get me to compliment him as a substitute for saying he's as good as Jordan.

Unfortunately, compared to Lebron's peers, it simply isn't that impressive to execute a wide open dunk from a foot inside the line with a full running start... Heck, Eddie Jones did that.. Ibaka took off from further, or Jordan, among others.. Ultimately, Lebron has almost zero iconic/historic dunks off 2 legs, while MJ has iconic jams off 1 and 2 legs

Lebron's heel touched the FT line. Like MJ first FT allstar dunk. It's also the height. Jordan never got that high on his FT dunks.

Eddie Jones?

I mean...

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And Bron has 30 pounds on him.

Stop being dumb. It's incredibly impreesive.

Not that impressive, yet there doesn't seem to be evidence of anyone else doing it in game.

And definitely not at his size.

Jordan took off from further

Again, the elbow is further than the ft line, especially a foot inside the ft line

There's no debate on this - the elbow (diagonal) is further than the ft line (straight away)... It's geometry.. So Jordan jumped from further.. Case closed.

And other guys have taken off from the ft line in games aside from MJ or Lebron... Dr. J for one, and others

^^^^ Oh wow, so Lebron's heel is 3 to 4 inches inside the line and therefore nowhere near Jordan's elbow dunks, or even his dunk-contest dunks.

It isn't on the list of all-time in-game dunks.

Period... No one talks about this dunk because it wasn't that impressive... Hundreds of in-game dunks destroy it.

And having 30 extra pounds doesn't add to it's impressiveness, so now you're just making stuff up, in addition to exaggerating about it to begin with (his heel is several inches in front of the line)

it's no surprise that you guys think a no-skill dunk that's wide open with a massive running start is impressive... Lebron is just an athlete and not a "skilled player" like Curry, MJ, Kobe, Jokic, Bird and others.. Mike Conley Sr's two-hander from behind the line will always be the goat athletic achievement if sheer athleticism is what you're looking for (and it appears it is)..

Also, we've never seen an actual FT line dunk from Lebron because his heel was several inches inside the line, AND he's too scared to enter the dunk contest, where you're required to do FT line dunks ON CALL, aka a performance - it's no surprise that LeChoker avoided this high pressure scenario.

Btw, it's more impressive for a 6'6" guy to dunk from FT line than a 6'9" guy, so that's another read it wasn't impressive - no one cares when Ibaka or Lebron dunk from a few inches inside the line... No one cared because they aren't 6'6" and flying like MJ

Jordan's elbow dunks in-game were further and he got up higher on all his dunks.. The video shows this clearly

You guys are just delusional because you fell for a fraud

You never played, so you don't realize that it's easier to dunk at 6'9" than 6'6".

Even though this is intuitive and obvious, it might not click for physically-weak midgets that never played.

In addition to being 3 inches shorter, Jordan also took off from further in games (from the elbow) and with defenders contesting (Laimbeer, Majerle), and also ON CALL in contests..

The contest dunking is important because it means that Jordan can ALWAYS dunk from the FT line, not just a flukey one-off that was several inches inside the line... Of course, in addition to taking off from further and on call, Jordan also double-pumped after JOGGING up to the line.

Accordingly, due to being 3 inches shorter, taking off from further, having defenders contesting, doing it "on-call" while double-pumping and jogging - these things make Jordan vastly more impressive.