Bellagio 2-5: Double Board Bomb Pot with KK

Not very much in a bomb pot.

Same

I don't rly like one pair hands in single board BP's

Your hand is clearly very good. Against 1 opponent, you're only losing on both boards to AA & QQ. Also, you're doing very well against a lot of other hands that are playing for both boards, like any Q, T9, JT, Jx of diamonds. If somebody has Qx that makes 2pair on one board, they have only 3 outs to beat you on the other board, and you have more outs to beat their 2pair

If the action gets crazy heavy with 2+ opponents, you're likely to be crushed on one board & holding on at best on the other. But you should definitely bet when checked to, and I like something large like $60+ given your description of the table. We probably have to go with our hand if we get raised heads-up but it's not the best feeling.

Hi Dynasty, been a long time.

Amazingly, this site has everything BUT an HEDB calculator. But against five random hands you’re miles ahead. Bet, and bet big.

Realize this is raised from the 18m+ dead, but I apparently didn't rant before.

IMNSHO NLHE DBBPs are a very bad game, esp. so for 3bb each with 100bb. The main problem is that it's very difficult to have anything on both boards.

Even these boards (which are very similar) QJ/Q9 are behind vs. KQ and the "good" draws AdXd/JT/T9 are pretty bad on one board. One combo. of KdTd is an exception.

Then, with only two cards, you completely miss both boards a lot.

All of that means you are mostly paying max rake for two people to chop a third person, or even worse to chop the bombpot.

More 6th street chicken than skill.

Big pairs are the exception, where you have pretty strong hands on both boards. Your only really worry is that two people have sets on different boards (or one has AA/QQ).

I wouldn't be shocked if a solver ever came out for raked NLHE DBBP that it would tell you to quit the game.

As to any strat. here ... maybe bet like 120 and shove almost all turns, or maybe just shove.

Betting small to mostly win one board for a bigger pot and chop people up seems like a bad idea here, as there are going to be quite a few runouts where you won't know if you are the one getting chopped.

Any strat. where you are folding much on later streets has to be burning money without godlike reads, as you are very likely to have the best hand on both boards now with a low SPR.

Also a bunch of worse hands are kind of forced to call a shove, unless they know exactly what you have, and if everyone folds +18bb can't be that bad.

I never posted the results? I'm sorry to those who responded back in 2024.

I still remember the basics of the hand. I was bet into by an early position player. It was probably a 33% to 50% pot size bet. I called and I think somebody behind called as well.

The turn cards didn't complete any draw but may have paired the low card. The EP bet again (call it half pot) and both I and the late position player called.

The river cards also didn't complete any flopped draws. The EP bet for a third time though it was a small bet relative to the pot. I called and the third player folded.

Kings scooped against (I think) JT.

Agreed, it’s a terrible game.

Within the past two weeks, the Bellagio started allowing PLO to be played in the double board bomb pots.

At some point in the 90’s there was mention of Greek Hold’em where you had to use both hole cards as in Omaha. Tried it once in a home game, terrible.

There WAS a place in Henderson, bar & grill in front, two tables in back, some Irish name IIRC, that spread 7 Stud Hi/Lo 8 or Better Two Pair or Better. I played their weekly tournament once. The high qualifier was a white whale windmill for the owner.

Good game, but too long a name & too hard too explain. Be perfect for online though.

DBBPs are dumb with high variance but profitable because gamblers love them.

I've played 6 card PLO DBBPs and 4 card NLO DBBPs ... and yeh, they are high variance esp. as you get deeper. But I wouldn't say they are dumb, or bad games.

I've even played more live SBBP NLHE than most people, and that's also high variance but playable.

Two cards just aren't enough for two boards.

I remember a long time ago hearing about people trying to play NLHE 8 or better (holdem, with a possible low) and they said it was a terrible game because you needed an A and that was half your hand. This is the same problem.

I guess if I was in a private game with people who were rich and stupid enough I'd play some terrible games, but they'd have to be exceptional on both counts.

I wonder if we should just play for a x/r and bomb the turn and try to gii. How often does anyone have QQ or AA?

I'm completely ignorant to DBBPs (as our room doesn't allow these shenanigans, although once a while some on the table will agree to a quiet under-the-radar modest BP), but my guess is these hands will create a heckuva lot more money on the table real fast (due to these hands often causing ~multiple all-ins and thus rebuys), which is a huge benefit to anyone who is a crusher deep (especially in a small capped BI game). No?

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There are some upsides to BPs especially in a room where players do not have experience with them, but paying double rake, being forced to play ATC, and losing the option to raise pre for value seem to make these a money sink.
As for the KK I am glad the OP did not fold.

How are you paying double rake? I thought they took the time charge out of the bomb pot.

I only played single board bomb pots at PLO.

Many casinos, at least where I've played, take $10-12 (compared to 5-6 for regular pots). Two boards, two rakes. Same policy applies if you want to "run it twice" on a regular pot. You must be playing different stakes or venues if you speak of a time charge.

Where I was, they deducted the time charge from the bomb pot and ran the bomb pot every half hour when the time charge would usually be taken from the PLO game. There all the PLO and limit games are time charge games.

At the Bellagio, the 5-10 bomb bots are $30. $7 goes to the regular time charge and $23 goes into the pot.

In the 2-5 bomb pots, the Bellagio takes the regular rake ($6 max).

in florida they pull $6 for each board and $2 for each for the "bonus".

both boards qualify for bad beats, high hands and any promos though. if you do single rake ( you can request it) then only the top board counts.

This request has to be 99.9999% free money.

TBF where I've played they only take one rake, but the fact you are paying max rake and splitting the spot almost all the time is close enough to double rake that I just assumed that's what was meant.

it has to be unanimous though. all players have to agree otherwise they pull both. Ive only heard it requested once or twice in the last 3-4 months. We were short handed, i just suggested we up the amount to the max of 10bbs so it doesnt take so much of the pot.

That sounds horrendous.

I remember someone posting in 2+2 years ago and trying to sell everyone on this awesome new game he invented call 'null poker'. Basically holdem but you had I think 4 anti-wild cards worth absolutely nothing in the deck. So if you got dealt say A + NULL, your hand was similar to A2o, but also much worse.

Everyone said it was a horrible idea, he disagreed at length, then left.

Maybe this works okay if you only need to use a single card for straights and flushes? Or slightly worse but easier to explain, you only need to use a single card if you have a pair?
I can kind of see an idea behind it, but can foresee boards where it'd suck as is.