Multiway to the flop as the PFR in late position, how to play a drawing hand?

I think you probably do bet here. I would think something around $100. I might go $80 or $85 but if I thought I would get significantly more fold equity with a 3-digit number I’d go up to 100 or 105.

The only reason I might not bet is that I really don’t want to get check/raised by the blinds. If I bet and the button raises I would probably have to at least consider folding, depending on the sizing.

I likely check or bet small.

My preferred line would probably be betting small to something like $50. The better players are next to act after you bet, so they'll have to respond relatively honestly facing aggression with more players yet to act. The fish will naturally tend to give away the strengths of their hands based on their response.

So you get a lot of good information with your small bet, and depending what happens you can slow down on the turn or keep betting, either for value when you get there or as a semibluff.

The other reason I go small is because if you bet too big you start to set up good SPRs for the shorter stacks to check-raise jam, which you really want to avoid. If you bet $50, you can call a moderately-sized raise and see a turn. If you go much bigger, it's more likely the $400 and $500 dollar stacks could just go all in and force you to fold all your equity.

All that being said, the more sticky and aggressive the other players are the more I like checking.

I don’t play this high, so take it with a grain of salt. I like betting this semi-bluff, but not sure the size. The problem is they all called 45 and if you bet, you don’t want them all calling again

Checking is reasonable
I think it’s more difficult with a pro on the button, because he can put you in a bad spot whatever you do.

If you decide to bet, I think it needs to be meaningful (175-200) to gain fold equity. Hopefully fold the button and get one caller. Take this line, turn a spade & jackpot

If you are indeed perceived as TAG, can bet 200 and possibly fold everyone, I like this line. Nobody but you, should have AK and you look very strong.

If you have a feeling (read) that the button really likes his hand, I would check and see what he does.

Personally, I think betting small is the worst option as the button is more likely to raise, others are more likely to call and you’re really not finding out where you’re at.

I don’t why, but I never expected six people in a pot at higher limits

I probably bet, would go ~1/3 PSB than anything else. We're 5 ways so it can get out of hand very quickly with a big bet and our hand isn't so strong that we're just waiting to rip over the top of any real action.

Check or bet small, like $45 or $50.

Since we're just about at the point where either of the short stacks are likely to jam with TP+ or the NFD, it's a little awkward. I'm not sure if it would be better to check back for pot control or bet, when it's so easy for us to get pot-stuck, and have to call off the rest vs a short stack jam.

If 2 or more opponents call, and given our equity vs their ranges, it's basically a value bet as you have more equity than the percentage of the additional bets you're putting in the pot. You gain information about the strength of the other hands by forcing the OOP players to either C/R or risk you checking back turn.

You're also setting up an SPR to either get stacks in when you get there, to check back turn and see a cheap river, or to potentially take it down with a bluff on later streets. You keep your range uncapped.

Here's a shocker: In higher stakes games you play your range, not your exact hand.

Welcome to poker beyond the micros.

Second time you've said "bet for information" in this thread.

Aren't you embarrassed?

I don't think this is particularly good flop for your range, esp. 5 ways. It's not bad, but good is overstating it.

As most said, mix check or bet small ... you do block KQ/KJ a bit, and you are the most likely to have AK and only one that should have AA/KK ... but you also have QQ-99 and only hitting a flush gives you value on the turn.

With the pro. on the BTN with 1.4k I'd be tempted to check more often. If we had any reads at all on what he's calling with pre. and what he's going to do with it, that'd help. Would kind of assume not much AK/KQ/KJ anyway, so a lot of 99-22 and some NFD/QJs-65s.

Can maybe x/r if he bets small and others fold (folding to a 3bet and being unhappy with a call). But if we bet, or x/r, I think we have to be prepared to bluff rivers with air (esp. unblocking the NFD) and at the same time we aren't doing well if the money goes in before the river.

Would also assume all 8 combos. of the NFD are in everyone's range (maybe give the pro. only 4-6 combos. because he should 3bet rather than call first to act, but then he might also exploit call to drag the recs. in depending on his view of you and them).

Also kind of impressed with how annoying PresidentDeuce is _after_ he became the first poster on my ignore list.

Anyone know if there's a way to not see the "This message is hidden because..." lines?

You need to stop saying stuff like this without looking it up first.

How much equity do you think we have against Kx and a NFD??

Equity vs RANGES. A lot more than Kx and the NFD will have to call a $50 bet. Anyway I'm going back to ignoring your posts now.

Have fun playing 10 NL!

Like what??

Look at the damn board man! The K Q J and 8 of spades are already accounted for. That means that V's can't have Kx, Qx, Jx, or 8x flush draws. That leaves Axss, and maybe like 4 other combos. T9, 97, 76, 65.

The board offers ZERO straight draws. Not even gutshots. So JThh isn't in anybody's range.

That leaves 33, 88, and Kx

Board: 3hKc8c
Equity Win Tie
CO 26.47% 26.47% 0.00% { QcJc }
BU 36.77% 34.43% 2.34% { 88, 33, K7s+, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Tc9c, Ac7c, 9c7c, Ac6c, 7c6c, Ac5c, 6c5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, AKo, KTo+ }
BB 36.77% 34.43% 2.34% { 88, 33, K7s+, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Tc9c, Ac7c, 9c7c, Ac6c, 7c6c, Ac5c, 6c5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, AKo, KTo+ }

(mistakenly entered these hands as clubs, not spades. But the numbers are still right)

Board: 3hKs8s
Equity Win Tie
CO 2.10% 2.10% 0.00% { QsJs }
BU 59.03% 59.03% 0.00% { KhQh }
BB 38.87% 38.87% 0.00% { AsTs }

With a solid image, I bet ~$100. (As everyone knows, I'm rarely a fan of the 1/3 pot-size bet.)

The shorties make this awkward AF. Agree it's likely a range cbet, but not eager to face a x-shove, and there's two candidates to fade here. I also think this is going to keep even a "pro" TAG honest a gazillion-ways. They 'might' stab here, but then H'll get to see if shorties will rip it in, w/o having to pay for it.

Plus H actually has some equity. Think that nets out to check.

I'm not opening QJs in the CO either here into a feisty BU and two 40-50 BB shorties in the blinds. Call me a nit.

Also, who is the straddle? Was the straddle on for $10 and V1 limped, putting $20 in the pot? Did the straddle fold? (Hard to believe.)

Almost 20 years and 15,000 posts on the #1 poker forum telling people the best ways to go broke.

Has it occurred to you that you might be just as responsible for the poker boom as Chris Moneymaker?

From the 10NL player who check/folds every hand. LOL.

The straddle folded preflop.

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8 handed 5/5 NL with $10 mandatory straddle.

H - tight aggressive table image, has been playing here for 3 hrs. $1450
V1 - 40's Persian regular rec player, competent, but calls too wide, can bluff, $750
V2 - 30's Chinese "pro" - he plays at least 50hrs a week, every week, TAG, $1600
V3 - 30's White unknown rec, $400
V4 - unk rec, $500

V1 limps $10
H in CO raises $45 Qs Js
V2 calls on B
V3 calls in SB
V4 calls in BB
V1 calls

5-handed to the flop: ($225) Ks 8s 3h
Check.
Check.
Check.
H?
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I think if we are going broke with a naked non nutted fd might as well limp or fold pre.

Not sure if this is correct advice for you, but try to play very very nitty in multiway pots. Small hand small pots, big hand big pots.

Hu pots you can go nutso with even air.

Let's be honest, this insufferable troll should have been banned already. It's a bit unclear why that hasn't happened yet. Maybe there are no moderators left who read these threads? I'm also convinced this isn't his first account here, for what it's worth. And I agree, what use is an ignore list if that message keeps appearing? Anyway, it should be a matter of time before he's gone, right? Let's just hope it’s sooner rather than later.