Israel/Palestine thread

What's the deal? I thought Trump already destroyed Iran's nukes. Isn't that what he declared last time, on the heels of us begging Iran for a ceasefire?

Well Trump and basically everyone he put in charge are incompetent. Par for the course.

Speaking of Saudi Arabia, what do you people think would happen if Iran attacked them? The experts say it would be very easy for Iran to take out or majorly setback the Saudis oil producing capacity. Not only that, but they could attack the Saudis ability to get water and cause a massive humanitarian crisis. They could attack any number of gulf emirates and destabilize all of our allies there.

That plus closing the straight could put us in a world of economic pain. You know, I'm starting to get the sense that Israel, to whom all of our politicians have pledged their undying loyalty, above even their loyalty to our own countrymen, isn't even that into us. Like as long as they gratify their white supremacist urge to destroy all ME civilizations, we can suffer any amount and they could care less.

Anyone else not feeling the love from Israel at this moment? starting to feel a little used?

If it was the U.S. who asked for a ceasefire last time, what has changed now?

Does this attack now signal the intention to nuke Iran? Not to be embarrassingly self interested, but if we did nuke them is the straight still going to be traversable? No, it would not.

So assuming we aren't going to destroy ourselves economically (not the safest assumption with these people in charge but let's go with it) by nuking Iran, what is different now? Is the play to just rerun the last skirmish and hope to exploit further the domestic turmoil inside Iran?

I feel like we are being Ukrained here. It's like Israel is using us up to fight Iran the way we are using up Ukraine to weaken Russia.

¿Lol Que?

Maybe Iran is 2nd, but they are MILES behind saudi

Go ahead and collect your participation prize and own your part in this, mother****er

You sure as **** earned it

Also, lol at ‘IF’

**** outta here

Even if Saudi Arabia did absolutely nothing contributing to state sponsored terrorism since 9/11 (spoiler alert: not the case), anything Iran has done is a tear drop in the ocean by comparison

I dont understand why you think the Dems arent at least complicit but most likely supportive of this.

In no world would iran attack Saudi Arabia. Nobody would have the balls to

The only country that owns trump more than israel does is Saudi Arabia. And big **** small. That’s why anything iran has done to this point has been purely performative and solely against an Israeli defense system that can cut off anything iran fires at it

I tend to think Saudi Arabia benefits by a collapse of iran both in terms being the sole anchor of the Middle East bf being able to control whichever ISISesque faction rises

Balls tend to emerge in those facing an existential threat.

In extensive simulations of war war with Iran (records of which are available to the public), Iran did attack the Saudis to great success. They also were able to decimate our navy and win the war, despite all manner of artificial handicapping intended to produce a favorable outcome for the U.S. It's a pretty interesting read for anyone interested in speculating how war with Iran would go down.

I just don't think we can nuke them and I am quite certain we can't invade them. So what are we doing? Why is Israel commanding us to do this? Forget for a second the question of why Israel is controlling us. Given that they are, why this?

How'd that go in Iraq?

The US has no power to effect regime change at this time. You can't achieve such a major strategic result by the trivial means that the US is applying. Asking the Iranian civil population to do it is merely an admission of impotence.

whats wrong with doing that? especially considering the alternative. religious fanatics can not have a nuke

why would anyone nuke iran? lollolol. The Casus belli is literally to save them from their government. you can argue if thats what the intention is but that's the appearance. you can't nuke people your trying to save

Not that well.

Iran is certainly high on the list no?

Iraq war went amazingly well for the Imperialist Epstein class. they made gobs of money and destroyed a society.

I'm surprised that your views on the Iraq war has not diminished somewhat given your support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Iranian civil society has been putting a great deal of pressure on the regime. US and Israeli aggression allows the Iranian regime to brand the political opposition as illegitimate.

You can't regime change without boots on the ground, which would be even worse than bombing.

this attack has very little to do with isreal btw. I wouldn't talk about it in this thread even I would use other news. but i know we love to blame the jews for everything

i mean if were being honest pretty well lol . maybe not for america tho

Your game is to justify evil by making plausible arguments in its favor. When you just say ridiculous things the game is no fun. Once you say you think these constant attacks on Iran are to save them, you just expose yourself as not believing what you say and so why converse with you?

Or do you figure you've won the game and this is your way of gloating?

Israel would nuke Iran, and has threatened to do so, because it wants to destroy all rival modern civilizations near it, because Israel is a war mad, white supremacist fascist state with mind control over the biggest military in the world. This is a dangerous moment. Nuclear strikes are in play.

Your laughing in our faces here only further shows that you have no concern at all for Americans.

Deuces can we start a thread with your ideas on how we should help our fellow Americans?

It would require significant numbers of regime troops, including IRGC, to defect (for fear of being overwhelmed, disarmed and killed by angry mobs). If the US and Israeli strikes kill enough of the leadership to put the regime in question, that would be the next stage, but it would create an unpredictable outcome.