[MID] 5/10 r8 my play

I don't play 5/10, but I would play to x/r the flop on the wet board to build the pot more. Would not shove for 5-6xpot. Can bet the turn and then maybe shove the river. Notice KQ had an OESD and you now have 2nd nuts.

i dont like it.

if V3 is aggro then he should be 3b pre with TT+, AJs+ 2.5k eff. so we can rule those out.

turn you only get called by KQ, AJ. 9 combos of AJ and 16 combos of KQ. 77 is in his range aswell but wont pay off this massive overbet with your read. flop play i like alot though.

I don't play this big. But here's what I think.

Not sure why we are donking
Not sure why we are 5xoverbet jamming 2nd nuts
Pot is like 450, we are jamming 2300 into it, maybe sets/2p look you up?
I guess it's ok if you get called light. If you never get a light call, then we are lighting money on fire?

Anyhow, most likely you're overvaluing your maniac image. Most people don't adjust at least not on the flop/turns. They might adjust on the river calling down lighter. But on flops/turn, they just do their thing probably.

If you donk, donk at least 500 next time to set up a better turn shove. This might be better than in game.
I personally like a x/r big then jam turns. Not donk small, then 5x jam with 2nd nuts.

Imho, maybe you were too drunk in game to extract max value.
I've also played with drunktards. Yea some might be aggro. But they don't 5x jam with air. They 10x jam with flopped flush, top2, sets, straights etc. They think they'll get value from people calling light because of them being drunk. It's the opposite. Most people don't call light unless they know for sure they're just punting their stacks off.
Drunktards punt the most is preflop and go blind all-in or ship with any2. Postflop their overbet jams are heavily weighted towards value, in such cases, I'd just snap it off with nuts or near nuts only.

Not sure why you are playing 92s. If you want to go allin on the turn, don't understand why not go a little over pot on the turn and river.

Grunch:

PRE - whatever.

FLOP - interesting decision to donk in this configuration, rather than go for the x/r, but I think I get why, if we think the PFR is going to mostly check and everyone else will be afraid to poke their head out with a bluff or 1P.

TURN - another interesting decision to jam turn rather than check to look like you're giving up and induce V3 to stab at it. But, again, I think I understand why, if the story we're telling is we're getting drunk and over-bluffing.

Just hard to find the hands V3 has that call. I guess he could have some aces up, or maybe JT that just doesn't believe us. We're getting wrecked by KQ. If he's in here with KTcc/QTcc I think he might want to gamble with you.

Our line is so polar, but our drunk maniac image aligns with us being OOL donking with A7 on the flop that just made aces up.

I dunno. You're f**king around. Hope you don't find out that you shouldn't have.

I hate the way you played the hand, but I like your style.

I could get behind the exploitative flop lead with the nuts, even though I'm probably not playing it that way.

I hate the overbet jam on the turn. I would think given reads, most of his really strong hands would have raised flop. So maybe he calls your massive jam if he turned aces up (whether he calls with that even is far from certain). Maybe a set would call, but again he probably raises the flop with that. However it is certain he calls with KQ.

People don't go from over folding all night to suddenly calling you down light just because you had a couple drinks. I would bet a more reasonable (but still large) size to set up a river jam. I would probably go slightly over pot to set up close to geometric sizings for the river jam.

If this was me, I would do exactly the same, then realise I had drunkenly misread the board and it was actually JT6

I wouldn't lead flop, and especially not this big.

I would not 5x jam the turn with a hand 16 combos away from the nuts, but then I'm sure you were already expecting to hear that.

I also think chugging alcohol before shoving is a borderline speech play and would not (or at least should not) read as weak to a perceptive opponent.

Were you playing 92s, etc. to set up a donk or maniac image?

Are you beating 5/10?

Don’t play that high, but the people I play with would find the fold against ‘all-in’

The drinking show would go over their heads. All they would see is an enormous bet
In for 160 asked to call 2,340
Y’all play a different game

We have old guys wandering around asking if this is the all-in table

As played, wouldn’t you want this aggro player to come along, rather than shut him out.

It must be nice to play in a game where you get the nuts and people call a few thousand dollars. Are you expecting a call?

yeah
i play bigger but it's the biggest casino game near me and other games run sporadically now

maniac with a touch of donk, mostly the image that im giving a lot of action and make the game gambly
game is usually complete nit fest dead but the action has picked up in the past couple hours of play since i started forcing it
there's a lot of bad regs in the game too that will completely over adjust if they see you show up with unorthodox lines or bad starting hands

When I'm playing loose like this 89s is a no brainer 3 pf. I'd say just calling if you're looking to play a big pot was the biggest mistake.

Table described as nitty, but seems to have loose/passive characteristics with a 4xBB UTG raise and 4 callers. Preflop seems like a 2/5 or 1/3 game.

Doing anything, like downing a drink, when making a large bet is a tell, and usually it is a tell of the nuts, not a bluff. Is downing the drink going to make them think you are a drunk? These are supposed to be mostly regs.

I understand unconventional lines, but why 5x overbet shove when you can just pot/pot? Would you be doing that with a draw or pure bluff on the turn?

On the flop, you could shove for 5x pot with a combo draw, but a draw wouldn't have enough equity if called on the turn.

Are they going to think you are that bad to just be shoving wildly? Are you going to get more action this way then by building the pot so your river shove looks more natural?

don't think you want to have leads here on the flop, if you want to balance that yu have to bluff into 4 players first to act which is not ideal. go for xr instead. 5x shove on turn is obviously ridiculous, only do that with the 3rd nuts if you have a specific read villain is a station

x/r flop builds the pot more, so you can get it in on the river without overbetting. It is going to look strong, but anything you do to try for a big pot is going to look strong and get a lot of folds.

Results:

Well he didn't raise flop. I guess your drunk act worked and he thought you were blasting off.

River sucks.

There is a lot of references to your table image, but it really feels like half of the story. Part one is our perspective as the Hero - what we believe others think about us. Part two is the crucial step: What evidence do we have to support our belief. Without evidence, we can't let the belief guide our decisions.

Are you serious? A set would call or raise a turn bet of around pot. Maybe shoving gets all the money in against sets. Not sure if much worse than that is calling.

I think you might have misunderstood. My comment was tongue in cheek. It was basically a cooler and the money likely goes in one way or another. I was genuinely a little surprised middle set didn't raise the flop lead though.