The Frustration of 3-Betting AAxx OOP
I’m really bad with AAxx OOP—especially on paired boards. I have no idea what to do on any street in this hand.
Live 5-10-20
UTG TAG-fish reg raises to 75 (2k stack)
HJ folds
CO folds
BTN folds
SB folds
BB [Hero] raises to 250 with Ah Ad Jd Td (1.5k stack)
Straddle folds
UTG calls 250
Pot 525
Flop 7c 3c 3s
Hero checks
UTG checks
Turn Js
Hero checks
UTG checks
River Td
Hero checks
UTG looks back at his cards and bets 500
Hero?
Call.
How often would you assume he has a 3 or 77 when he opens and calls the 3bet? It's just a very good board for you. You can do stuff like range bet 175 and it's not easy for him to do much. Same on the turn, just bet for value/protection. River you lose to 89 (16 combos) and one combo of each JJ and TT. He could have a million bluffs. I have no idea what a tag fish is but I like the chances of winning this more than 33% of the time.
Call.How often would you assume he has a 3 or 77 when he opens and calls the 3bet? It's just a very good board for you. You can do stuff like range bet 175 and it's not easy for him to do much. Same on the turn, just bet for value/protection. River you lose to 89 (16 combos) and one combo of each JJ and TT. He could have a million bluffs. I have no idea what a tag fish is but I
Would you ever shove to try to push him off 98xx (because we have J and T blockers)?
Call.How often would you assume he has a 3 or 77 when he opens and calls the 3bet? It's just a very good board for you. You can do stuff like range bet 175 and it's not easy for him to do much. Same on the turn, just bet for value/protection. River you lose to 89 (16 combos) and one combo of each JJ and TT. He could have a million bluffs. I have no idea what a tag fish is but I
TAG fish means he’s tight and aggressive but still somehow very sloppy.
Isn't flop the easiest cbet?
We balance the times we have air and cbet on such flop. Now AA is like the nuts?
Isn't flop the easiest cbet?
We balance the times we have air and cbet on such flop. Now AA is like the nuts?
So we do we bet one-third or one-half pot with the intention of getting it in if he raises (because he might be bluffing with 7xxx or two clubs)? Again, I'm really bad with AAxx OOP and often have no idea what to do.
Isn't flop the easiest cbet
We balance the times we have air and cbet on such flop. Now AA is like the nuts
So we do we bet one-third or one-half pot with the intention of getting it in if he raises (because he might be bluffing with 7xxx or two clubs) Again, I'm really bad with AAxx OOP and often have no idea what to do.
Very player dependent.
Some players don't have bluffs nor will they bluff this board.
Some just want to put you to the test.
Most ppl don't raise this flop even with trips. Most just call.
On paired board 1/2 might be too big. 1/3 maybe better. Most V are almost drawing dead if they have overpairs(2outer).
Even if villain have fd/st8d, you can have higher fd, or even boat up now or later.
Of course occasionally youll run into brick walls. But you don't have to play for stacks, ie. bet small on flop+turn and check river. If facing any resistance you can fold or call/evaluate.
This might not be relevant.
1 of the most aggro regs open then call my 3bets. Then on low paired board just x/f to my small cbet. But note stacks were shallow(1~2spr). If stacks were deeper(5x+) he might try something?
If stacks were deeper we don't have to cbet flop, we can delay cbet turn instead. We give like 1 free card.
The more passive villain is, the easier it is for us to cbet range. Even if villain is aggro he has to be pretty aggro/crazy to try to rep 3x, since it might not be credible
Very player dependent.Some players don't have bluffs nor will they bluff this board.Some just want to put you to the test.Most ppl don't raise this flop even with trips. Most just call.On paired board 1/2 might be too big. 1/3 maybe better. Most V are almost drawing dead if they have overpairs(2outer).Even if villain have fd/st8d, you can have higher fd, or even boat up now
That's why I checked. I just have no idea what to do if I bet small and get raised. I'd feel more comfortable betting one-half to three-fourths pot and getting it in.
We are against a tight utg range, this flop is great. Start with B33 with full range. We have more 3x than him assuming he folds a lot of weak KKxx pre, and of course we have a huge AA advantage.
We are against a tight utg range, this flop is great. Start with B33 with full range. We have more 3x than him assuming he folds a lot of weak KKxx pre, and of course we have a huge AA advantage.
Yeah I totally messed up the flop by not betting. If the flop was instead 773 rainbow, are we supposed to check (because the paired 7 hits more rundowns)?
I think from a theory perspective we definitely should bet the flop but also a good player can turn QQ/KK/etc into a bluff fairly easily if we bet, they call, and we check the turn. If we were say 4k deep vs an elite player checking might be better, although our x/c range would be fairly face up as AA/KK. The deeper you are and the better your opponent the tougher it is to play OOP - adjust accordingly.
I think from a theory perspective we definitely should bet the flop but also a good player can turn QQ/KK/etc into a bluff fairly easily if we bet, they call, and we check the turn. If we were say 4k deep vs an elite player checking might be better, although our x/c range would be fairly face up as AA/KK. The deeper you are and the better your opponent the tougher it is to play
Now I understand why a lot of pros with 10+ years of experience play their non-premium AAxx carefully. I guess with only 2 years PLO experience, I'm the noob that habitually raises and re-raises a hand like AA72 single-suited to the A and gets outplayed post-flop
Monsters under the bed much? If we bet the flop, check the turn he will bluff QQ/KK (targeting AA obv), but if we check our range is also face up AA/KK. Stop folding AA then lol
Why don’t we just study theory?
Chet flop b33, we don’t fold to raises with AA either
Can bet or check turn, given ranges in play we should be betting big as we unblock KK and QQ where we get most our value from
Rivers are close between bet and check with intention of check calling most of the time as we have blockers to boats and only 98 and bluffs can really bet river considering our board interaction.
Why don't we just study theory Chet flop b33, we don't fold to raises with AA either Can bet or check turn, given ranges in play we should be betting big as we unblock KK and QQ where we get most our value fromRivers are close between bet and check with intention of check calling most of the time as we have blockers to boats and only 98 and bluffs can really bet river consideri
I've studied over 100k hands on solver and still don't have it all memorized. Maybe I'm just dumb.
Lol, study less, play/practice more online.
If you had 100k hands played online. I don't think you would have such post and thinking.
I played 50k hands on the solver training sim. Then I played 50k hands online and uploaded the hands through another solver. I'm still confused on hands most days.
Half of y'all are saying bet-fold flop and the other half are saying bet-call. This is exactly why I didn't bet the flop!
Stop listening to noise and start forming your own opinion. If you can't even spot the donkey trying to give you advice you are the donkey. Solver moar
But y'all giving advice in this thread are all very good.
Anyway, next time I'll still 3-bet pre because it's premium AAxx.
Next time I'll bet flop because it's 733cc semi-shallow and not 773r deep. And I'll bet large too (60% of pot), like I would with air. And I'll call a raise/shove.
As played, next time I'll small bet turn. And I'll plan on calling a raise because I block JJxx and because there are two flush draws he could bluff with.
As played, next time I'll just check-fold river. Because him looking back at his hand is a big live read that he has 98xx (confirmation bias, but still somewhat true).
Just have a thought process next time ok
