President Donald Trump

Supreme Court decisions are among the most easily read and understood documents the government produces.

Watching Global National CDN news network and they say the tariffs stay not sure why

Also I say good luck getting the tariff $$ back

Yes. All the media coverage seems hyper focused on the specific tariffs that were in front of the court in this case and the narrow decision they wrote up and explained clearly. But watabout completely irrelevant and off topic subjects? I just played a round of gold and had brunch after. How were the tabs for those effected by this ruling?

I don’t think there’s anything that better sums up the pointlessness, vindictiveness, incompetence and destructiveness of trump’s presidency more than SCOTUS striking down his tariffs only for him to be big mad, do it again through another mechanism, then raise it to 15% for literally no reason other than being told no

But ya. True patriot. Fighting for real Americans like lozen

I am a CDN 😀 I am just glad that Biden wouldn't have gotten a ruling from the supreme court lets say on forgiving student loan debt and than try and do an end around the supreme court to forgive it anyways

Ad please tell me how the fxxk you refund 150 billion $ in tariffs collected? Who do you refund ?

It partly depends on the topic, but you are generally correct. Lawyers are trained to emphasize organization and clarity. The overall quality of the writing in Supreme Court opinions is very high.

Trump is going to try and impose similar tariffs through other means. Why is this so hard for you to understand.

Also, are you suggesting that legal claims for tariff refunds are weak, or are you suggesting that the administration will slow walk and delay? The latter is inevitable but you can't play that game forever.

I wasn't responding to biggerboat. I was responding to your assertion that American education is aimed at indoctrinating Americans to believe that the United States is great in every respect. That isn't remotely true when it comes to U.S. foreign policy, treatment of Native Americans, the legacy of slavery, and a lot of other obvious stains on American history. The belief that Americans are taught that the United States has always behaved admirably is just a fantasy propagated by people who were not educated in the United States.

Then why are terms of services always 20 pages of gibberish? 😉

Just out of interest, do American schools still do that daily Maoist swearing-allegiance thing?

When did it change to be more realistic about americas past? I ask because school social and Economic History lessons here in the 70s and 80s wilfully ignored the transatlantic slave trade and focussed exclusively on the inventions of the Industrial Revolution and its Navy as the only drivers of UKs eminence, and its leading role in the TST only began to be acknowledged in schools later.

And I didn’t only mention education, but the mass media too. Murdochs papers and later TV have constantly pushed the supremacist line here and elsewhere too.

What you end up with is a combined weight of “information” reaching kids that was heavily skewed towards nationalism and justification of Empire, and only challenged later if they enrol in a related course at university, which obviously most don’t.

Yes you are right he will try another avenue like the 10% global which is only good for 5 months I believe . Plus what about all the countries that struck deals are they exempt

No I am saying that in the dissenting opinion Gorsuch said that it would be a mess .

Who do you refund the tariffs to? The importer were most of them passed it on to the consumer? The end user who bought the product who has no clue if the cost of the goods he bought have a tariff attached to it and how much?

My bet is the money stays in the treasury

The company you illegally took the money from. This isn't difficult. The same way he'll have to repay the new tariffs when they are also ruled illegal.

This doesn't qualify as indoctrination but the discussion made me remember some student group (football team maybe) had a slave auction every year where the girls being auctioned wore burlap bag dresses.

It never ceases to amaze me how incredulous lozen is about the most basic things.

Costco already filed a suit before this decision. Courts don’t have to have to decide what happens to every single party impacted by illegal tariffs off the bat. Costco can afford the millions of dollars and years this will take to get back potentially billions. Whether they have to reimburse customers or not will be decided by the terms. That this will be messy as an objection to doing it is lol trump culture talk. Liquidating Madoff’s assets and getting it to victims in a fair manner was messy also. We already have institutions and regulations in place to do stuff like this.

Replace incredulous with disingenuous and you nailed it

That post is bitter, delusional and completely detached from reality. I mean, there was absolutely no need for the words "probably" and "virtually." Seriously, though, you seem really bitter and angry.

The refund goes to the entity that paid the tariff. This isn't rocket science.

What is the reasoning for the bolded? I've asked this question several times now.

I am focusing on education.

All I can tell you is I that I was taught in grade school in the 1980s that the U.S. government abused the Native Americans and black people and that slavery was an atrocity. In my era, you didn't learn a lot about modern U.S. foreign policy either way until you reached college because most of U.S. and European history classes ended around WWII or shortly thereafter. There may have been aspirations to teach modern history in more detail, but we usually ran out of time at the end of semesters. I highly doubt that my educational experience as a child in a conservative state was unusually critical of the United States.

If you took classes on international relations, politics of the Middle East, etc., at a univerity in the 1990s, I would say that it was overwhelmingly likely that your professor would present the material in a way that critical of U.S. foreign policy.

I obviously haven't been in school in a long time, but nothing about the education of my kids leads me to believe that American education has become more nationalistic over the last three decades. Perhaps things have moved in that direction for younger kids in red states in the Trump era (I hope not), but they most certainly have not moved in that direction at the university level or at any level in blue and urban areas.

Media is more mixed. Left wing media and most middle of the road media were very critical of things like the Vietnam War, the second Gulf War, Iran-contra, etc., especially after all the facts came to light. Right wing media of course has generally been far less critical. I would say that most all media painted the Soviet Union in a negative light during the Cold War.

I also would say that American education and American media is generally pro-capitalism and always has been, although you certainly would have no problem finding plenty of critics of capitalism among university faculty.

It might still happen in some areas in some red states. I honestly don't know. It certainly doesn't happen in NYC. It feel like it petered out in the red state where I went to school by the time I was in 4th or 5th grade, and that was in the 1980s.

You can put whatever slant you want on people's posts if you adopt the right tone in your own head.

To me you sound riled.

i hope they just do a "from now on" and call it a day - issuing refunds is going to be a nightmare - especially since those fees were passed on to the consumers