PAHWM: TT vs whale+reg

i asked this earlier but i think it bears repeating. if you already know the answers and aren't going to listen to reasonable input why post the hand? your threads mostly seem to be you justifying hands / teaching us why your play was correct.

if you think your local 2/5 regs are the best players in the world, clairvoyant, capable of destroying you with atc while knowing the instant you step out of line, then id recomend emulating the solver and trying to play defensively / gto. i not sure what you're really looking for here.

i dont think its really that contradictory to tell you that good poker players dont really go to the casino to grind 9 handed 2/5 at 30 hands an hour.

No, I wasn't teaching on how to play. I'm sorry I sound arrogant that I'm justifying my play. I thought I was talking about my thought process.

I was looking at how others approach the game.

I'll try to keep comments to myself.

Sorry for sounding like an *******.

Normally, I just peek at others answers and quietly compare.

ok, moving on.

Preflop
Hero in +1 w/T♠T♣ opens to 25
V2 in +2 posted dead blinds just got back, snap raises to 75.
V1 in bb coldcalls.
Hero 4bets to 225.
V2 folds.
V1 calls

Hu pot 525
Flop Q♦5♦7♥
V checks
Hero?

well now i feel bad

insanely hard spot to range either one of you but i think you can b25 with range.

is odd bc on one hand you need protection but your hand kind of sucks to face raise, and i think you make more money from worse hands / air via checking. solver will fold without a diamond and call with a diamond vs a xjam but would not feel particularly confident in extrapolating anything from that here. is kind of what kvnd said where your hand generally sucks to play vs continues in any form

this is by far the most frequent check in our range your combo and i do think this is a spot where fish will spaz vs check so maybe id lean slightly towards that. theres bunch of solves on gtowizard where it allows solver the option to 4b jam at 100bb and it will do that with (primarily AKo though balanced and in some wider spots a bit wider w unpaired hands too) to avoid having so many combos of dust in range in 4b pot i think

dont think its particularly bad heuristic to just b25 w range in every 4b pot (low / drawy boards, mono, axx, handful of others where this might be beatable) but is worth pointing out you are too loose here pre (though we get bailed out bc fish probably insanely wide here)

am really tempted to buy ultra (pre solver) on gtowizard to prove im right pre but i on yearly subscription and im worried ill have to keep it forever

edit: sorry misread v's stack. if u bet flop you aren't folding

Nah don't be.

As I age, I don't absorb info/materials as easy. Most of my poker knowledge was learned like over 10yrs ago.

So alot of the stuff that seemed standard to me are way outdated to you guys.
While I was explaining my thought process, I probably came out too defensive.

But deep inside, I wanted a change and also see what others think as well.

Like when I think I'm getting run over at the table. I think I might have a huge leak here.
I overfold in some spots, like overfolding to this guys 3bet. I was thinking about folding again vs this 3b before whale called. Because I didn't find it profitable oop in 3bet pots with aggro players.

yeah like im not trying to insult your game or these guys or anything. im sure they are decent and if most of your experience is from 10 years ago, the modern game is much more aggressive and the skill level particularly of regs but also recs is much higher. but like if you start studying even a little bit you're going to realize most of these guys have (very) large leaks based entirely on where you're encountering them.

the issue pre with your hand is its really middle of the road where you dont actually want to get it in vs v1 from these positions / stacks. the sizing mimics 100bb but his range likely going to be tighter for one thousand dollars at a 2/5 game than a 100bb sim and you (and in turn him) are supposed to be hyper tight here pre bc of position, open size, and apparently 20+% 3bettor on your left. ideally he folds and v2 either calls or folds (we probably are rooting for him to fold with most of his range given your sizing pre w how much equity he likely has). there probably is an amount that he can be 3betting where you are best off 4betting atc, i just think its going to be substantially higher than whatever he's actually doing, doubly so because calling is so +ev here esp with whale in the hand. whale also makes the immediate chances of a successful 4b go way down unless you make your sizing so big that you're committed to gii (the stupid banana idea) and he may still not fold based on the kq hand. maybe this is still ok with TT depending on exactly how big of a whale he is since it possibly ends up being for value against his range. dunno confusing to think about and dont have access to anything to look at it and have to sleep in a sec

this was what i gave him to peel your 4b but its really just an arbitrary guessing game

anyways sorry for being mean earlier.

if it helps re the 3betting thing, vs most sizes you can fold ~65% of your range and still prevent him from 3betting you with atc. (obviously if he is doing this there are better counters than playing unexploitably). here he's risking 70 to win 2 + 5 + 7 + 5 + 25 which is already weirder than normal because of his dead 5 but the math looks like 70 / (70 + 44) so we want to try to defend about 40% of our range to not let him do it with a random hand. again if you know he's doing it incredibly loose there are better alternatives than trying to defend at this frequency. but the idea here is you're supposed to fold a large part of your range when you get raised, and that doesn't mean you're getting outplayed or run over. you're also protected in the sense that you have 5 guys behind him who can wake up with a top ~2.5% hand, or in bb's case a top 22.5% hand lol.

good poker isn't really taking it personally in a particular situation. just figure out what your range looks like and try to figure out how to allocate the different hands in it to call, fold, or raise.

v difficult to do if you are a luddite and refuse to embrace the tools we got now

really sleeping now

If we use 100bb stack to mimic the stacks in hand. In a 6 max, 2bb open in utg, +1 3bets to 6.5bb but BB doesn't coldcall, solver 4bets to 19 33.8% of the time, calls 59.2% and folds 7% of the time.

now look at 8 handed LIVE 10% rake 200bb 4x open simple and look at how utg1 plays vs utg2

You misunderstood. It's a punt at 200bb I said

the other thing too is its using TT as a value combo (take a look at what happens when we face a 5b in this sim) which you aren't doing