KK UTG on an AQ9 monotone board
1/2. Rake/promot/tip is 6+3+1.
V (120) is a loose-passive gambler, VPIP/RFI/3b is 35/8/0. With the action on him, his friend asked him in Chinese for money, and he gave him $500. He’s re-buying in short. He’s expecting to lose his money.
Hero (covers) has a TAG image to V, if V pays attention at all.
OTTH
V open-limps UTG. LJ and SB call. Hero in BB bets 22. Only V calls.
Flop (41): AcQc9c
Hero?
12 Replies
FYI your thread title suggests you're UTG but your OP says you're BB.
It would help to know if we have the Kc, if we're the player with KK.
PRE - seems fine. A little tricky to figure out the best raise size without knowing the others' stack sizes. I'd think anything around $20 give or take is in the right neighborhood.
FLOP - tricky spot.
Without the Kc, I'd play our hand like a bluff catcher. Probably just check-call flop and check-evaluate from there. Not really looking to bloat the pot before we get some clarity on the strength of V's hand.
My guess is he'll bet big and then check back turn with Ax, or bet small with his flushes and then jam turn. Probably just checking back everything else, opening the door for us to start betting for value on the turn.
With the Kc, I'd treat our hand like what it is, a pair + high equity draw. We can bet around 1/3 pot on flop, say $15, and have a smidge over 1 SPR going to the turn. If he jams over our bet, it sucks, but I think we probably have to call it off. If he flat calls, we can just stick the rest in on any turn.
Sorry, red KK. Yeah, hero is BB
Bet the flop ~$25. If he raises, just sigh fold. If he calls, evaluate the turn. If he's truly passive, he will fold a lot of hands or you can bet him off of them on turn/river.
id just c/f to any reasonable sized bet. he has a lot of flushes and Ax hands. betting small seems pretty pointless. you are never getting raised, are going to get called wide, and will just be bloating the pot.
he if checks back turn then id consider starting to turn my hand into a bluff on a turn club, and checking anything else. reason being, if he doesn't stab flop with when checked to he probably doesnt have a decent club. so you can probably print by betting something like $20 on the turn on a club (getting Ax and weak clubs to call) and then shoving any river (getting the same hands to fold).
It’s bad and it’s only going to get worse. I would check fold vs a loose passive who is going to have a lot of air that won’t stab.
In that case, I'd start by checking, and see what he does.
If he bets small, which he should do whether he's betting for value or as a bluff, I probably call, and check-evaluate turn. I'd expect him to mostly give up with bluffs and barrel with value.
But, if he bets small again, I might call again. The reason is I think most low stakes players under-triple-barrel with thin value and bluffs, so we could get to showdown cheaply in that scenario.
If he bets big on the flop, it sucks, but I probably let it go, at this stack depth. If we were deeper, I might still call, expecting him to be one-and-done with his bluffs when he bets big on the flop.
It's hard to flop a flush. With the A, Q and 9 on board, he doesn't have a lot of nut flush combos when he open-limps UTG. Probably just KJs and KTs, unless he's playing a lot of up-and-down suited KX combos.
If he's 35/8/0, he has a boat-load of trashy hands that he may turn into a bluff or monkey-bet thin for who knows what reason.
I don't think I'd try this play very often, but when he's short-stacked...if V does bet small here, I might turn our hand into a bluff and check-jam. Yeah, he can have some KXcc combos, but when his range is so wide, he's going to have so many more hands that he has to bet-fold.
We can have all the sets, all the 2P, and KJcc or KTcc in our range here. He's got a handful of flushes, some weak AX, and a lot of 1P + a draw type hands or just complete airballs that are going to hate it when we jam.
If he checks back, I'd probably check again on almost every turn, and then go for the same check-jam if he bets small.
Results
Hero checks. V bets 20. Hero folds. V mucks.
You can check or bet 10-12, it's whatever. Xf is fine vs half pot
I’m glad I check folded but feel people on 2+2 take interest in hands only if hero makes a mistake, and a poster tries to defend hero’s actions.
x/f is good. This is almost the worst flop for KK. If it was multiway, it would be more of a give up.
Seems fine.
I think people who buy in short tend to under-bluff, and when they bluff they tend to do it by over-betting with high equity draws. When he's starting with $120 and betting $20 into $40, he looks like he's setting up a turn jam.
Looks good. Only hands you're going to get value from are things like JcJ, TcT, QxXc, KcX (would have to be KJo or worse). Maybe QxXx but even the loosest of loose passive gamblers might be able to toss that.
I mean you could go really, really small but you've got another two streets to worry about and there are plenty of cards which can change things even more and you're not wanting to turn your hand into a bluff, so letting this go seems fine. You'll take his money another time