Unbelievable results on ClubWPT, hit a wall at 10NL
First, I'll give my background. I'm not new to poker. I'm not a rookie just getting started. I learned the game in 2006. I played mostly tournaments (cuz thats what was on TV) both live and on Full Tilt until black Friday. After that I took up live cash games doing pretty well in 1/2 and 2/5. When COVID hit, I kinda gave it up. Lately poker is making a huge comeback in my state (NH) and I've been playing some. For practice...I joined ClubWPTGold last fall with the intention of just dabbling in the play-money games. About 2 days later they shut down the sweepscoin/play money model altogether. But they did give me 2 "chips" (real money) as a free bonus for being a new player. I took it to the micro stakes and by the end of the day I had $17. From there I started building a bankroll. I tracked my stats as best I could. ClubWPT doesn't allow HUDs or provide much for hand history, so I kept it all in a google doc.
Now this is where it gets weird. I'm a humble guy. I don't want to brag. But from everything I've read and seen online, I must be the greatest 2NL player to ever have walked the face of the earth. I've heard that WPT games are soft, and that's true. That's surely contributing to my success. But still, my winrate doesn't correlate with any of the information/guidance/posts I've seen from other microstakes players anywhere on the internet. My win rate truly doesn't seem possible
I'm winning 57BB/100 over 74,000 hands. My last 10,000 hands were 130BB/100. That's at 2NL, $4 Buy-ins, 4-tables at a time.
I feel kinda silly posting that. I'm sure half the people reading this are scoffing in disbelief and are furiously emailing the mods to have me banned for trolling. I don't know how to convince strangers on the internet, but I swear on the souls of my children that these are my real results.
Question 1: Is anyone experiencing anything close to these results on ClubWPT 2NL? Am I a god?
Question 2: I'm getting murdered at the next level up. I'm down $500 at 10NL over 10,000 hands. What adjustment am I not making? This game has antes so I know variance is cranked up. Is this just a downswing?

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I've been playing 0.05 / 0.1 / 0.2 (0.05) straddle + ante on WPTGlobal. Reached about 40bb / 100 after 15k hands, but hit a massive downswing and got closer to 10bb / 100 now. The games are usually very deep, e.g. easily above 1000bb deep, so a single hand can completely change your statistics. A sample size of 100k might not be sufficiently large to accurately predict bb / 100.
What seems to help the most for beating this NL10 game is having a solid preflop strategy with enough 3-bets, 4-bets, etc. Post-flop play very carefully, especially in multi-way pots because the stacks are super deep. Most of the money you make is from opponent's big blunders rather than from slowly outplaying them in marginal spots.
I know what you mean about a few hands tanking the whole graph. (AA vs AJ on AT6r, how do I lose that?)
I don't feel like I'm adjusting to the antes properly. I think I'm supposed to play more hands and be more aggro because of the dead money in the pot. But I'm already playing really aggro. At 2NL the secret sauce is bet sizing. Go huge on all streets, use overbets like crazy. If it feels like spew, you're probably doing it right. So I tend to tighten up at 10NL. Maybe that's wrong?
Also, it sounds like a 'reasonable' win rate at 10NL generates fewer actual dollars than my current rate at 2NL. Maybe I should just grind 2NL and study for the next 6 months then try to move up to 20NL in the summer.
How do i get in those games?
Question 1: Is anyone experiencing anything close to these results on ClubWPT 2NL? Am I a god?
Question 2: I'm getting murdered at the next level up. I'm down $500 at 10NL over 10,000 hands. What adjustment am I not making? This game has antes so I know variance is cranked up. Is this just a downswing?
Answer 1: They're all whales, they'll pay you off or bluff you off with random hands.
Answer 2: Play more solid, they're still whales but they'll still pay you off. Learn the bet/fold button, know when you're beat. Be the one value towning them not the other way around.
Club wpt gold, they're literally free money, at least at the micros they're.
I know what you mean about a few hands tanking the whole graph. (AA vs AJ on AT6r, how do I lose that)I don't feel like I'm adjusting to the antes properly. I think I'm supposed to play more hands and be more aggro because of the dead money in the pot. But I'm already playing really aggro. At 2NL the secret sauce is bet sizing. Go huge on all streets, use overbets like crazy.
Look up the preflop ranges for your exact ante game if you can. They are totally different compared to a regular sb / bb game. It took me a lot of adjusting coming from a typical sb / bb live game as well. Also hands like AQs, JJ, QQ, etc. play a lot more passively preflop as you might think due to the deep stacks.
57 bbs/hour on 4 tables is only about 15bbs an hour PER table, correct? That is fine. About what I'm doing at 10NL.
The problem is that 10NL has some semblance of actual poker, so yes, most people with major leaks starting getting murdered there. You need to have actual pre-flop ranges and know when to fold. Most importantly you need to know when your beat and get away from the hand. 2-10NL is more about NOT losing money than making it. Not making terrible calls, refusing to get away from hands that are clearly beat, etc. 10-50NL is really about learning how to profit from your game. Value betting, proper 3-betting etc. Its the road to profitable "real poker."
Being down $500 at 10nl is far more than variance and a downswing I presume. Something is way off with your game. Maybe its your preflop sizing or ranges, but losing at 10nl is really a sign of bad poker play, especially when you beyond a 10k sample size. Gold is also insanely soft. People call with the wildest hands ever. If you are seeing a downswing it could just be that you are too lose with calls in big pots. Not sure without any additional info but 10NL gold should not be a major roadblock in your growth as a poker player
57 bbs/hour on 4 tables is only about 15bbs an hour PER table, correct? That is fine. About what I'm doing at 10NL.
It's not per hour. It's per 100 hands. And no, the numbers don't stack like that. 100 hands is 100 hands, regardless of the number of tables.
To be honest, I thought I was hot **** when I was at 30BB/100. But it just kept climbing from there. Every 10,000 hands was better than the previous 10,000 hands.
here it is graphed over time.

What is your Vpip and PFR stats? 60BBs per 100 is insane. Either the sun run of all sun runs or you are basically playing everyhand and just running over fish. Could be both. Gold is like boom-town poker all over again