President Donald Trump

That's a very UK view where we understand that someone with a weapon is likely to use it. But that's in a large part because weapons are illegal. It's not the same in a ludicrous system where you can legally wander about with guns etc

I see guys carrying in restaurants. Are they there to kill the chef?

Agreed. Of the protestors who were convinced by the media and dems that trump is doing something illegal and therefore they should attempt to stop ICE from doing their job and threaten ICE there were 100,000+ survivors so far under trump.

Of the people who were convinced by the media and repubs that Obama was illegally deporting people and got talked into blocking and threaten ICE there were no survivors.

I don't know what you are implying here. Are you suggesting that I argued that poor training was the only problem, or that all things ICE would be acceptable with better training? I never said any such thing.

Here is the Ultimate Immigration Settlement

Anyone convicted of a crime other than being here illegally must go
Anyone that crossed during Biden's open borders needs to go
Anyone here before that that is a contributing member to society can stay but there is no path to citizenship or voting if you are looking for that leave and apply legally
Also if you commit a crime than you must leave and misdemeanors do not count
You may not own a firearm as well

Can we at least put it into English before we make it a law?

Isn’t lozer Canadian?

Why does he keep saying ‘here’?

Definitely greater than 0% he's shot if he was unarmed. Against properly trained law enforcement, in this instance as it played out, the percentage is the same - armed or not.

The reality is, as played out, the only way it's 100% certain he is not shot by the ICE agents who shot him is if those agents didn't bring guns to the protest.

It's hilarious to watch tardos get steamed when the arguments they've been using for decades are used against them.

The US is quite literally facing a tyrannical government, the epitome of what they claim we have a 2nd Amendment for, and now they're blaming the guns. Just lmao.

She was armed with a mob of violent people with bike locks, flag poles, etc., trying to get past the final barricade where Congress was holed up. If you don't dome the first person that gets past, then a handgun against 20 people within arm's reach doesn't work.

She was warned multiple times that if she crosses, she's going to get domed. Turns out he wasn't lying. Look at what happened once she got domed and fell backward... they all retreated.

You know how I know you’re a deeply unserious piece of **** besides whatabouting 1/6?

It’s Babbitt

Bobbitt was the one who bit off the penis

Agree that it's greater than 0% he's shot if he's unarmed. Also greater than 0% that aliens come from outer space and abduct him if he's unarmed.

Sure. More like 10% he's shot if unarmed and like 0.000000000001% he's abducted by space aliens.

Sure. And 20% if he's armed, 10% if he's unarmed, and 0.000001% by aliens.

/in before "he was unarmed!!!!!"

Lol

What's the lol? You don't think he was shot because he had a gun? You don't think people with guns are more likely to be shot than people without guns? If that's you're thinking, you should be advocating for everyone to be armed. More safety right?

I'd also say then chance of being shot when armed is much greater than 2:1 vs unarmed. But I know you were just making up percentages.

My initial point still remains, bad things are more likely to happen when people have weapons.

You guys continue to argue this endlessly for curious reasons. Perhaps this is the great flippening of libs becoming gun toting 2As.

I feel like if we concede it was a bad cop shooting and the cop should do time. you can at least concede bringing a gun to a protest increased his chance of getting unjustly shot...

Lol, are you Monty Hall's grandkid? This isn't Let's Make a Deal. Lol at proposing negotiations.

The tardos on the right have been saying "An armed society is a polite society" for 80 years and the subsequent discourse has been:

- the left counters by saying guns exponentially increase the risk of someone getting shot

- the right counters by saying the guns are not the problem; the people are

- the left counters by saying we need to control which people get guns

- the right counters by saying the Second Amendment shall not be infringed

And so goes the circular argument for decades until 2020, when some dipshit kid wanting to play marine decides he should take an AR-15 to a protest to "protect" a business he's never shopped at and doesn't even know the owner of - a real humanitarian and protector of the community - he even cosplayed as a nurse (how ironic) by bringing a first aid kit with his AR-15.

As expected, some kid carrying an AR-15 drew the ire of a particular sociopath who sensed he was just a chickenshit kid and decided to test him on it and chased after him like an animal does when it senses fear.

Because his Skittles-eating pudgy ass couldn't run more than 50 meters, his assailant closed the gap to within a couple of feet and he turned around and shot him in the head as he lunged toward him.

Then, as expected, people started yelling that he's a mass shooter and he ran away to purportedly find police who were not cosplaying as police.

As he's running, people chase him down in an attempt to disarm him before he shoots anyone else since they thought he was a random mass shooter on the loose.

After firing his AR a few more times, he is able to get back on his feet and run to find police. As he encounters police with his hands up, the police driving by in Hummers, allegedly unware of the shootings, just smile and wave at him because "The Second Amendment shall not be infringed upon," underscoring that firearms at protests are of no concern to law enforcement.

Regardless of whether people think the verdict was correct or not, the left used this opportunity to heavily continue their messaging that bringing guns to protests increases the likelihood of someone getting shot.

The right responded for the last 5+ years with great fervor by saying it's a Second Amendment right and people are the problem and not guns, and they underscored this by bringing AR-15's to every protest.

Now you donks want to hijack the phrase "The guns are the problem," since you claim that if he never brought one he wouldn't have been shot and killed?

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Btw, it was two different agents who shot him.

If you suspect as I strongly do that you're likely to be encountering cowardly untrained armed 'police' who are self-selected for being nasty pieces of work then yeah without a doubt it increases your risk.

Some will be more polite, some will shoot you.

exactly! why bring a gun! People who can't understand there's a difference between bringing a gun to defend a business vs other civilians vs bringing guns to protest AGAINST POLICE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT need to be checked in a mental asylum. I think both are wrong but one is clearly worse.

Its always just the dumbest people who bring them too. Remember that loser who got his hand shot off trying to shoot kyle? When he was approaching police trying to turn himself in. Gaige Grosskreutz, apparently a volunteer medic. The victim was a nurse why are medics all carrying guns?

In the meantime, an interesting item that came up in the latest DOJ Epstein Files dump.

Wrong person to ask. i have no idea why any reasonable person would carry a gun outside a war or highly trained specialist police squad.

Other people seem more keen but I don't get it. I wouldn't even give them the option.

You’ve described pretty much every police force in the world.

What's exactly is my bias? I already stated:

fortunately not the uk. Although I'm sure given long enough, 'changed' labour will get there.

Mets and others are certainly self selected for being nasty pieces of work.