President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
No she was shot because she was trying to break into the Capitol building to stop the certification of the election and possibly worse, and had ignored several warnings to stop or shed be shot. That should be pretty obvious.
And why was she doing these things? Because Trump and his enablers pushed the insane idea that the 2020 election was somehow “rigged.”
It wasn’t.
Trump knows it and his enablers know it. But hillbilly hayseeds like Bobbit eat it up and pay the price for their lies.
Cultists gonna cult.
No she was shot because she was trying to break into the Capitol building, and had ignored several warnings to stop or shed be shot. That should be pretty obvious.
Preaching to the choir mate. Your pal corpus thinks it was because of a pocket knife.
Most still do. Liberal hypocrisy on guns isn't the problem here. The problem is people who think it is much more important to focus on the fact that the victim was carrying a gun than it is to focus on the fact that poorly trained ICE officers shot a man who never posed a threat to ICE agents and who already had been disarmed when he was shot.
Everything you do has risks.You know if you play football, you might get hurt. You choose to do that because you enjoy football.You know there's risks driving, but you choose to drive because it's worth the risk to get from a to b in a more timely fashion.You choose to carry a gun because why? Again, my point is if people have weapons, bad things are more likely to happen.I don
There shouldn't be any disagreement. And in a sense there really isn't. For example, Didace quoting risks in various activities is, ironically, actually augmenting YOUR point imo.
The problem is people who think it is much more important to focus on the fact that the victim was carrying a gun than it is to focus on the fact that poorly trained ICE officers shot a man who never posed a threat to ICE agents and who already had been disarmed when he was shot.
*clap* better *clap* training *clap* for *clap* gestapo
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Lol. You're not great at detecting sarcasm are you? I'm simply using your own crappy argument here.
You carry weapons bad things happen, remember?
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Lol. You're not great at detecting sarcasm are you? I'm simply using your own crappy argument here.
You carry weapons bad things happen, remember?
Pretti was shot by overzealous ice dudes because he had a gun. Again, not justified, but that's why they chose to open fire.
Bobbitt was not shot because she had a pocket knife.
It's not that hard a concept to grasp, but for some reason you like to light your hair on fire and argue for the sake of arguing.
Like I'm pretty sure we agree on this, but you are so fuelled with rage that you can't even agree on basic concepts.
Sometimes better training means doing a better job of getting away with these killings. The training doesnt fix the mindset or elevate the safety around a crooked cop.
Pretti was shot by overzealous ice dudes because he had a gun. Again, not justified, but that's why they chose to open fire.Bobbitt was not shot because she had a pocket knife.It's not that hard a concept to grasp, but for some reason you like to light your hair on fire and argue for the sake of arguing.Like I'm pretty sure we agree on this, but you are so fuelled with rage tha
How many times do you need to be told he was disarmed and was actually unarmed when shot, before it finally registers with you? Your claim that he was shot due to having a gun doesn't hold up at all and as was pointed out to you by others, you're simply victim bashing and doing so due to him being a leftie. Yet again you're fooling nobody here and your claim and argument has no merit at all whatsoever.
How many times do you need to be told he was disarmed and was actually unarmed when shot, before it finally registers with you? Your claim that he was shot due to having a gun doesn't hold up at all and as was pointed out to you by others, you're simply victim bashing and doing so due to him being a leftie. Yet again you're fooling nobody here and your claim and argument has n
ok, so your view is that if he never had a gun on him, he still would've been shot. gotcha.
Most still do. Liberal hypocrisy on guns isn't the problem here. The problem is people who think it is much more important to focus on the fact that the victim was carrying a gun than it is to focus on the fact that poorly trained ICE officers shot a man who never posed a threat to ICE agents and who already had been disarmed when he was shot.
Pretti can only have been carrying the gun with a view to using it against the agents. Their reaction in the circumstances was bound to be extreme. Though this does not mean that the agent who fired the fatal shots should not face murder charges. Quite possibly he should.
ok, so your view is that if he never had a gun on him, he still would've been shot. gotcha.
Not interested in your bad faith debating and semi trolling at this point. I'm going by recent events. They had already shot Renee Good who wasn't armed, so it's very possible they would have shot Pretti also. Again you're engaging in bad faith debating so we're done here.
Not interested in your bad faith debating and semi trolling at this point. I'm going by recent events. They had already shot Renee Good who wasn't armed, so it's very possible they would have shot Pretti also. Again you're engaging in bad faith debating so we're done here.
She was 'armed' with a vehicle.
He was armed with a gun. Yes you can go down your 'he was disarmed seconds prior to the shooting' avenue all you want.
Neither should have been shot and were over aggressive actions by ice.
I've yet to see any unarmed shot. Has ice shot people standing with signs? Haven't seen it.
Again for the 100th time, doesn't justify either of the shootings, just makes such unfortunate incidents more likely to happen.
And as lozen posted earlier, the vehicle weapon/pretti gun might make a jury less likely to find guilt, if prosecution even brings the case.
Pretty sure if someone standing there with a sign is shot point blank by ice, prosecution brings the case and a jury unanimously finds them guilty.
Not interested in your bad faith debating and semi trolling at this point. I'm going by recent events. They had already shot Renee Good who wasn't armed, so it's very possible they would have shot Pretti also. Again you're engaging in bad faith debating so we're done here.
Ignore him and he'll go away. He brings nothing of value.
more walls of text trying to convince people he is not a complete piece of ****.
so shocking.
Pretti had a phone in his left hand and had reached/grabbed something right when he was shot with his right hand - it's clear in the video but what the object is he grabbed for is grainy. The body language of the ICE officers seems like they thought he grabbed for something lethal as they never had intent to shoot him until that. Good is a different story - she was unarmed and looked like she was driving away - I think that guy is going to jail. What we can take from this situation is Pretti was a moron - fighting ICE in the street only ends one way. Intelligent people fight with the pen not the sword - even if he didn't get a shot he was headed to jail for obstruction, resisting arrest, battery on a police officer, etc, etc, etc. Regardless of who is right or is wrong doesn't matter for Pretti and Good - they're both dead. That's why you don't do dumb **** - if you hang out with drug dealers and get shot in a drive by that's on you. ICE is operating no different way then they have for the past 20 years - most of the protocol was refined during Obama's administration which was heavily focused on preventing illegals coming in. I think Dems are just so brainwashed by CNN and hate Trump's pompous attitude that they will detest anything he does. It's fun to watch
ICE is most definitely not operating the same way as under Obama. Not even close.
Yeah you're right and he's as predictable as he is toxic.
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What's your excuse for Renee Good who had no gun? Lemme guess, she shoulda complied? Used the car as a weapon or whatever other bullshit you'll spew next?
As you said he brings nothing of value.
Yeah you're right and he's as predictable as he is toxic.
What's your excuse for Renee Good who had no gun? Lemme guess, she shoulda complied? Used the car as a weapon or whatever other bullshit you'll spew next?
As you said he brings nothing of value.
That seems to be the prevailing ICE position, no?
Pretti had a phone in his left hand and had reached/grabbed something right when he was shot with his right hand - it's clear in the video but what the object is he grabbed for is grainy. The body language of the ICE officers seems like they thought he grabbed for something lethal as they never had intent to shoot him until that. Good is a different story - she was unarmed and
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She was 'armed' with a vehicle.
He was armed with a gun. Yes you can go down your 'he was disarmed seconds prior to the shooting' avenue all you want.
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Armed with a vehicle is such a dumb concept.
A car can be a dangerous instrumentality. A dangerous instrument refers to any object, article, or substance that can cause death or serious injury when used. This definition includes items like knives, hammers and motor vehicles, which can be considered dangerous instruments under certain circumstances. The classification of an object as a dangerous instrument can influence legal outcomes, particularly in criminal cases involving assaults. Florida is the only state that has a statute declaring vehicles as dangerous instruments but it is mainly so that owners can be held liable in addition to the operators.
So the concept of the ice agent being reasonable in using deadly force in response to her using the vehicle as a weapon is pretty strained because she was operating the vehicle on a roadway, she backed up and then went around the agent and the stuck in the snow ice vehicle. Details matter, of course, but he pulled out his gun before /simultaneously when she put the car in forward and I doubt any of her other actions before this forward movement would ever be determined to be using her vehicle as a weapon.
Only an idiot like noem or bovino think that from the video evidence that he was armed when Pretti was shot
Armed with a vehicle is such a dumb concept.A car can be a dangerous instrumentality. A dangerous instrument refers to any object, article, or substance that can cause death or serious injury when used. This definition includes items like knives, hammers and motor vehicles, which can be considered dangerous instruments under certain circumstances. The classification of an obj
I don't disagree, but we'll have to see what the courts decide, if it gets there.
just like it mattered when they convicted president shat pants of rape. arbiter for thee not for me
