President Donald Trump

President Donald Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by biggerboat

ahh, ok.

https://rhodeislandcurrent.com/2024/06/0...


worth a read - and it's important to note the only publications talking about this stuff are independent non-profits like the rhode island current and pro-publica

mainstream corporate news won't touch this stuff


it also helps immensely when you take your campaign donations and use them to pay your spouse millions of dollars




ugh

I hate that. I'm not a huge fan of hers anyways but that really sucks.


by rickroll

worth a read - and it's important to note the only publications talking about this stuff are independent non-profits like the rhode island current and pro-publica

mainstream corporate news won't touch this stuff

Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2026/01/27/ilhan-omar-trump-net-worth-disclosure-30-44-million/

NY Post:

https://nypost.com/2026/01/26/us-news/rep-ilhan-omar-investigated-by-doj-and-congress-over-ballooning-net-worth-trump-says/

Newsweek:

https://www.newsweek.com/ilhan-omar-net-worth-scrutiny-11284678

etc. etc. etc. All within ~10 seconds


by biggerboat

ugh

I hate that. I'm not a huge fan of hers anyways but that really sucks.

Its the norm, not the outlier

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's Net Worth Jumped $21 Million Since Joining Congress

It shouldn't be a partisan thing


by coordi

Its the norm, not the outlier

It shouldn't be a partisan thing

are you beginning to better understand why i can't in good faith support either side and why i'm team luigi?



...and instead of a congress problem...it is an opportunity for racists to call it a SOMALI PROBLEM!!

I bet they are eating the cats and dogs too


Trump's principle PAC going back to the old school grifting with shitty emails.



by thethethe

Trump's principle PAC going back to the old school grifting with shitty emails.

jfc is that real? he should thrown in prison for treason for that

edit- omg it is real

of course nobody in government from either party will do anything about that :(


by rickroll

jfc is that real? he should thrown in prison for treason for that

edit- omg it is real

of course nobody in government from either party will do anything about that :(

It isn't his principal super PAC, but it is a significant PAC. It appears to have been his campaign committee's main PAC that has since been converted to what it is now.

And yes, the email appears to be real. I'm sure the PAC will say that this was tongue in cheek, but I"m with you. It's totally ****ed.


by King Spew

yet....

I'm guessing that tariffs that are paid by consumers, companies and employess..... ABSOLUTELY do not raise prices on goods.

Sounds unlikely.

Spew, remember that inflation measures the change in the price of a bucket of goods and this bucket is supposed to represent a broad group of products and services that a person buys. That means some of those products in services are hit directly by tariffs, some are only hit indirectly and others aren’t hit at all.

When a product has a new tariff applied, just like any other type of tax, the price of THAT product is likely to go up. However, that does not mean the price of our bucket of goods and services goes up. If you want to know why that is the case answer the question I ask below to formula or wait for him to answer because he likely understands this better than you.

by formula72

If you put a tariff on a candy bar, it doesn't cause inflation much because everything else isn't affected very much. If you put tariffs on 90% of the items people generally buy, the increase in costs would contribute significantly to overall inflation.If Chevy and Ford are hit with tariffs and Tesla is not, Tesla can and probably still raise prices if its advantageous to do s

The problem with your example is that your 90% is way off for the US. US imports make up around 13% of our total economy - the smallest of any developed country in the world. As a side note, Trump likely knew this and knew all of our trade partners have way more to risk in a trade war than we do.

Using your example of cars and candy bars let me ask if we place a 20% tariff on all imported candy bars, cars and car parts then what likely happens to the price of beds and sofas (that were either made in the US or were imported with out a tariff) assuming what I mention are the only products and services available in our country?


by rickroll

are you beginning to better understand why i can't in good faith support either side and why i'm team luigi?

This is the way. Politicians need a little more fear than just not getting reelected if they don't put the people's needs first.


by bahbahmickey

Spew, remember that inflation measures the change in the price of a bucket of goods and this bucket is supposed to represent a broad group of products and services that a person buys. That means some of those products in services are hit directly by tariffs, some are only hit indirectly and others aren’t hit at all. When a product has a new tariff applied, just like any other t

I would imagine with near certainty that the costs of the bed would also go up. How much I have no idea, too many variables, id imagine. And I'm really not trying to be argumentative, I believe that.

When you increase the cost to own or drive a car, it changes things. Look at the effects of high gas prices. People redirect their spending to other areas, their habits, priorities and so forth. The cost of a bed doesn’t go up to the same degree as the price of a new Chevy, but it would certainly, in my opinion, put some upward pressure on it. But who knows for sure.

Now beds, Chevys, and candy bars are fairly disconnected for your point, but there are many other products and services much more closely linked where I think you'd be able to acknowledge some sort of ripple effect. Then you start finding out just how much everything is tied to that automotive market, and down the line you go from there.

But again, I don't think tariffs = bad, and opponents will attack them simply because they’re associated with Trump, and Trump supporters will defend them regardless. But it's complicated and it's a nuanced issue.


by coordi

Its the norm, not the outlier

It shouldn't be a partisan thing

The wild thing is that Walz really appears to not be in on the grift at all. Omar, Ellison, even Frey (his wife is a lawyer whose firm* does big business with the Minn govt) are all taking their cut. But he really does appear to just be an ideologue, who everyone else views as a sucker to use for their own ends.

*She recently left the firm when people started digging around.


Yeah I've said before that Walz seems like a legit dude. He doesn't deserve American politics, its not a place for normal people.

Its also why he'd never make an effective politician in the big show


given that his only problem with ice's mass deportation/terrorism program seems to be that white ppl are getting got, i'd say that he's probably not a good guy

also, i don't think they ever let non-bastards get anywhere near that close to becoming president, even if they ultimately are just pathetic cowards


That is not a given.


by thethethe

Trump's principle PAC going back to the old school grifting with shitty emails.

I have to admit I chuckled in a “life is stranger than fiction” kind of way. I don’t think I could invent that as a Trump parody.

This is exactly why you can’t make fun of Trump, he does things seriously that are worse than the parodies you develop to make fun of him.


by formula72

I would imagine with near certainty that the costs of the bed would also go up. How much I have no idea, too many variables, id imagine. And I'm really not trying to be argumentative, I believe that.When you increase the cost to own or drive a car, it changes things. Look at the effects of high gas prices. People redirect their spending to other areas, their habits, prioriti

The first half of your second paragraph is what I was looking for (you hit the nail on the head about people respecting their spending). However, I think you missed the final part which is that just because the price of a car goes up doesn’t mean my income as a hotdog salesmen goes up, nor does your income as a formula1 pit crewman. So if the prices of running a car and candy go up that means we have less money to buy or upgrade our beds and sofas so therefore the price of them go down because we (and everyone else) have less money for the furniture.

by formula72

Now beds, Chevys, and candy bars are fairly disconnected for your point, but there are many other products and services much more closely linked where I think you'd be able to acknowledge some sort of ripple effect. Then you start finding out just how much everything is tied to that automotive market, and down the line you go from there.But again, I don't think tariffs = bad,

I do disagree with you when you say you do not think tariffs are bad. They are bad. The only acceptable reasoning for a tariffs is because another country is charging our exports a higher tariff than we charge their exports so we do tariffs as a negotiating tool to get them to lower their tariff. Despite all of our major trade partners charging us higher tariffs then we charged them (prior to trump going all in on tariffs) I am not convinced trump did tariffs for this reason.


by bahbahmickey

The first half of your second paragraph is what I was looking for (you hit the nail on the head about people respecting their spending). However, I think you missed the final part which is that just because the price of a car goes up doesn’t mean my income as a hotdog salesmen goes up, nor does your income as a formula1 pit crewman. So if the prices of running a car and candy g

But also tariffs make usa manufacturing more competitive. As the foreign parts rise in price, more money is spent on previously noncompetitive local manufacturing. There is more money in the usa because previously that money had left the country. So it can be inflationary but it's slow because the it takes time for the local manufacturing to ramp up.

It's all small beer though compared to the economic result of the political upheaval due of what trump is doing. That's pretty much unknowable - ranging from the world uniting with the usa later rejoining to mega wars.


by lozen

I am glad you asked

  • Traiff's
  • Flip Flop of Traiffs
  • Current status of ICE
  • I think he should fire Noem
  • The constant lies out of his mouth
  • Epstein cover up
  • Latest coments about NATO troops
  • Not being presidentail
  • affordability promise

That is just a few items. I have said If I was an American I would not have voted because Kamala is trash as well but lately im not so sure . Unlike you I am not a partisan hack

Preserved.


by jjjou812

Preserved.

I am not sure why you would cut a post from Canada posts and place here .

Let me add the Tax Cuts in the Big Beautiful bill
Deficit

Also I listed the good things

Hey we should give Trump credit for good stuff he has done and yes brokering a ceasefire is one
Changing marijuana to a different category
Securing the border
Deporting criminals
More for animal rights
Stop men from competing against women
Made countries hit their 2% for NATO

Sadly the bad may outweigh the good


by chezlaw

But also tariffs make usa manufacturing more competitive. As the foreign parts rise in price, more money is spent on previously noncompetitive local manufacturing. There is more money in the usa because previously that money had left the country. So it can be inflationary but it's slow because the it takes time for the local manufacturing to ramp up.It's all small beer though c

Tariffs and levies as a tax is an historical remnant used by nations when the bureaucracy and administration necessary to employ income tax did not exist (which in the "western world" came about in the late 18th century, through the 19th and into the early 20th.

In modern time it is true that tariffs are employed mainly to protect local industry.

However, it requires a deft hand and careful consideration for it to work. It also requires long-term thinking and investment in education, infrastructure and perhaps most importantly of all, stability to ensure that private interest actually wishes to invest. These are not the trademarks of the Trump administration, which mainly governs by tweets, policy can change in hours, corruption is rampant, education is ignored and infrastructure is built via empty promises. The exemption is perhaps the IT and big data industry, lured here due to no regulation of their practices. However, one industry does not an economic fortress make.

Now, if there is a developed nation that can manage even if isolated, it is surely the US. With the capacity to be self-sufficient for food, enormous industry capacity, benign neighbors, economic flexibility and a geography that makes it near impervious, it has the necessary cornerstones. Historically, it is also nothing new. The US was isolationist for the first 150 years of its existence. About the only quibble they have is that lax regulatory practices have incurred great depletion to their ground water reserves.

Somewhat ironically however, the "economic golden age" dreamed of by American conservatives did not come in a period of isolationism. It came in the period of internationalization, when the US became the epicenter of international trade.

Deploying 1800s isolationist economic policy while dreaming of 1950s economic miracles is political hallucination.


I totally agree with the deft hand point.

I'm going to make my usual point about looking at the past. We have approximately no data on how tariffs will play out as a tiny number of data points in a vastly different world tell us almost nothing. There is also the problem that we look at the past as it played out over decades - this is correct but in the the present people act as if the impact plays out over months or a few years.

I also make my other point which is 3d printing. The 21st century is unlikely to be dominated by importing parts/products. Raw materials, control of the intellectual property etc are going to be what matters. Early days but trade barriers just accelerate this process.

I sometimes see people scoff at the idea of local cheap labour being able to compete with overseas. Well yeah but automated assemble will and that's the future that's rapidly arriving

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