[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still
Knocking down 3 buildings with 2 planes in ways never conceived of before 9/11 using people dumb enough to commit suicide in that manner who have never even flown commercial jets before.
A fun running bit is Deuces insisting that Arabs are too dumb to learn how to fly planes.
A fun running bit is Deuces insisting that Arabs are too dumb to learn how to fly planes.
That's never been said or implied in any way whatsoever. I don't judge people like that like I think you do. I've given my reasons I think the alleged hijackers would have to have been extremely lucky to have pulled off what they did-
they had zero experience flying commercial airliners which were much more complicated than what they allegedly trained on
they weren't experienced hijackers either so they had to be mentally occupied with that as well as
that they were about to die. I thought I was going to die once. My brain was basically hijacked by instinct.
they were very young on average, so didn't really have a ton of experience doing anything
they were the type of people, allegedly, who would sacrifice their lives for some idea of virgins in heaven. If you think people dumb enough to believe that are pulled from the pool of competents then you just don't know much about people. Yes they would have political motives, but those were pretty abstract. These aren't the Qassam Brigades fighting for their own families right to breathe.
there was no written record of the plan at any of their residences so clearly they were winging it. A terrorist wants to be known. That's the whole point...stop doing this policy to me or I will wreak terror on you. These guys were the first secret terrorists in history. The wanted to give their lives but also for their sacrifice to be totally meaningless? Story does not check out.
Hey Deuces, you know how you say that nothing's been refuted? Is that because your brain breaks when something you say is refuted and you close your eyes and wish upon a star and the refutation gets erased from your memory?
Seriously, my dude, Gorgo just debunked your horseshit point by point and you are just going to ignore it and trot out the same horseshit in a few weeks like it's just stood completely unchallenged. You've been doing exactly that ITT for over a year now. I have to admit, you're sort of entertaining in that regard, a bit like a dancing monkey.
Hey Deuces, you know how you say that nothing's been refuted? Is that because your brain breaks when something you say is refuted and you close your eyes and wish upon a star and the refutation gets erased from your memory?Seriously, my dude, Gorgo just debunked your horseshit point by point and you are just going to ignore it and trot out the same horseshit in a few weeks like
Davy had some nice moves. Micky as well. Peter and Woolhat not so much.
THIS!!!
Just blow up the buildings, say 'AQ done did it', and you got your War on Terror (TM Pending).
You're not dumb enough to think a truck bomb could take down the WTC towers, are you?
In the world where this was some elites trying to induce all the benefits they got (you can call this the real world and you probably will within your lifetime), the terrorist henchmen of the oligarchs definitely think you are stupid but they don't think you are that stupid to think the patsies could rig 3 skyscrapers to fall with whatever tech they could scrounge up and whatever ruse they could form to get enough private access to the buildings to blow them up.
That's why I think this all started with the discovery that you could blow up a building in this novel way, using thermite, and the plot worked backward from there. This mechanism is bound to show up again. I'd guess maybe in attacks on Iran but then Trolly is going to start with the false anti-semitism charges again.
Let's just ignore that thermite is completely impractical for demolishing a building (would require an absurd amount of it and it would have to be very precisely placed - which would go right to sht when you crash an airplane into the damn place).
Actually, these dumb mfers don't ignore that. They've tried to invent super-thermite and/or nano-thermite to fill the role of thermite once their fantasies were laid to rest.
So yes, in DF mccracken's head, they DISCOVERED they could demolish a building with thermite, then found out they couldn't and had to invent super duper nanothermite, which still doesn't actually exist 25 years later to do the job.
It's a brilliant plan, really. Would've worked if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
incidentally - it doesn't go unnoticed that DF mccracken thinks you can "blow up a building" with thermite when that isn't how it would work at all. You can tell when someone is way out of their league when even their fantasies aren't possible.
I mean, it's just outrageous to think you could destroy a building with a bomb, when we all know it takes a bomb + airplane combo strike.
they had zero experience flying commercial airliners which were much more complicated than what they allegedly trained on
They weren't "allegedly" trained, they were trained. To fly planes. Yes, Muslims learning to fly planes, I know that's a huge conceptual leap for you.
Where does one find "experienced hijackers"? Is there a web site?
Give me the relevant links and clearly explain what they demonstrate, and I'll definitely take a look. All we've had for over a year of this thread is you bloviating and zero links or actual evidence such as you describe above.But instead, I suspect you'll just keep making excuses like "if I give you the evidence, you won't look at it" as above, because you're making **** up an
Also, Deuces, speaking of posts you've ignored, you missed this one. I'm sure it was just an honest mistake, you seem like an honest guy.
they had zero experience flying commercial airliners which were much more complicated than what they allegedly trained onthey weren't experienced hijackers either so they had to be mentally occupied with that as well asthat they were about to die. I thought I was going to die once. My brain was basically hijacked by instinct.they were very young on average, so didn't really hav
It all really just boils down to Deuces being incredulous at the idea of Arabs being determined and competent enough to learn how to fly a plane. Kind of amazing, really.
I thought the leftists liked the Muslims and hated the Jews. I'm confused now.
What happened, did you read one of your own posts?
It was burning because it was burning. Nice.Fuel from the debris pile? Like all the fire ******ant chairs and staplers and whatnot made up for the lack of oxygen? Into November and December? And I'm seeing now, 2000 degrees f? No. Story does not check out. There were rivers of molten steel down there. Not only did we see it pouring out of the building before the collapse, not o
Given the melting point of these materials, why is it so impossible for a fire started with jet fueled fire to cause the damage you describe:. Minimal research seems to indicate you are just making it up.
Melting points of common materials
Melting point of steel: 1425-1540 °C / 2600-2800 °F
Melting point of gold: 1064 °C / 1947.5 °F
Melting point of copper: 1084 °C / 1983 °F
Melting point of iron: 1538 °C / 2800 °F
Melting point of lead: 327.5 °C / 621 °F
Melting point of silver: 961 °C / 1761 °F
Real-World Fire Temperatures and Scenarios
In practical, real-world scenarios, jet fuel fires burn at temperatures significantly lower than the theoretical maximum. This occurs because the conditions are non-adiabatic, meaning heat is lost to the environment, and the oxygen supply is often limited. A large, uncontrolled jet fuel spill, known as a pool fire, typically burns in the range of 800circtextC to 1100circtextC (1470circtextF to 2000circtextF). This lower temperature results from incomplete combustion, as the fire is often diffusion-limited, resulting in a sooty, smoke-filled burn.
You're not dumb enough to think a truck bomb could take down the WTC towers, are you?That's why I think this all started with the discovery that you could blow up a building in this novel way, using thermite, and the plot worked backward from there. This mechanism is bound to show up again. I'd guess maybe in attacks on Iran but then Trolly is going to start with the false anti
I think Bin Laden learned a truck bomb was not enough from an earlier attempt.
So you think on a Tuesday, someone laid out enough explosives, or thermite to conduct controlled demolitions on three buildings but the thousands of people going to work in those buildings didn’t catch them planting the explosive devices? How long would it take experts to rig these three building in secret?
Let's just ignore that thermite is completely impractical for demolishing a building (would require an absurd amount of it and it would have to be very precisely placed - which would go right to sht when you crash an airplane into the damn place). Actually, these dumb mfers don't ignore that. They've tried to invent super-thermite and/or nano-thermite to fill the role of thermi
You are confusing invention with observation. Some PhDs who wrote a paper purporting to establish evidence of thermite dust samples from ground zero and surroundings. People with lesser degrees (but ok if you have a masters in ChemE from Carnegie Mellon you are no dummy) have replicated the results. One scientist began trying to debunk the results but inexplicably stopped at the critical point citing personal reasons (you can read this whole saga in the skeptics forum). That's enough for my personal standards to accept that some kind of thermite was used.
If PhDs mean anything it means the PhDs who authored the paper should be refuted in the lab. If not then let's talk about loyalty and fear rather than science.
Hey Deuces, you must have accidentally forgot to address all the other stuff. Just another honest mistake, I'm sure - you told me what an honest guy you are after all.
Remember when you said that? You were so upset that your integrity was being impugned. Trollollolol.
Seriously, my dude, Gorgo just debunked your horseshit point by point and you are just going to ignore it and trot out the same horseshit in a few weeks like it's just stood completely unchallenged. You've been doing exactly that ITT for over a year now. I have to admit, you're sort of entertaining in that regard, a bit like a dancing monkey.
You know that you can't just load up buildings with flammable **** in NYC, don't you?
Gorgo says that, in all 3 instances, debris from the buildings was burning, fueled by diesel fuel from some supposed generators was responsible for enough heat to produce molten steel, in all 3 sites? I don't find that very compelling. In reading the NIST reports and commentary I've come across temperature ranges for office fires. Even at the extremes, in rare phenomena that sometimes occurs under the right conditions, they don't burn hot enough to melt steel. The NIST report itself fails to address these temperature extremes or the presence of molten steel. Does Gorgo the nimrod know something NIST doesn't? I call it unexplained because the sophists who wrote the NIST report declined to explain it because apparently even they have limits to how ridiculous they choose to be. They know damn well there was an unnamed incendiary agent responsible for all that molten steel and they refuse to address it because anything they come up with would be laughable.
Gorgo says that, in all 3 instances, debris from the buildings was burning, fueled by diesel fuel from some supposed generators was responsible for enough heat to produce molten steel, in all 3 sites? I don't find that very compelling.
Well, that settles it then, some dipshit on the internet with no expertise whatsoever in this (or any) subject doesn't find it compelling. tHe sCiEnTiStS mUsT bE lYiNg!
Oh, and I think you accidentally forgot about, you know, all the jet fuel. You know, the stuff they burn to propel those big heavy planes that crashed into the building. While I am not an expert, I somehow doubt that most "office fires", as you call them, are started by copious amounts of jet fuel.
You know that you can't just load up buildings with flammable **** in NYC, don't you?
Yeah, you can't just put desks, papers, office furniture and etc. in an office building in NYC.
I'll also add that you don't have to heat something to its literal melting point before it starts to lose its structural integrity.
Yeah, you can't just put desks, papers, office furniture and etc. in an office building in NYC.
They used fire resistant papers dude. And the cars in the parking garage used fire resistant gasoline. That's why they aren't very efficient. If they used regular old gasoline they'd get like 400 mpg.
But he doesn't buy it guys.
You know that you can't just load up buildings with flammable **** in NYC, don't you?Gorgo says that, in all 3 instances, debris from the buildings was burning, fueled by diesel fuel from some supposed generators was responsible for enough heat to produce molten steel, in all 3 sites? I don't find that very compelling. In reading the NIST reports and commentary I've come across
According to a report by National Fire Protection Association, Fundamentals of Fire Protection, the average peak temperature of a house fire or area of a building is around 1,100°F (593°C). The peak temperature is between 1,200 and 1,800°F (649 and 982°C). I don’t know why you would believe a commercial building wouldn’t burn hotter.
We have done this with the no steel beams before, here is a pic of beams removed from the debris site.
Dunces, do you not get tired of literally making **** up? Although having said that, you're quite the fabulist, and I imagine repetitively using long words and a lot of them works on your usual audience of mouth breathers on Facebook or X or whatever.
