Flopping the nut flush multiway as the PFR on the B facing donk-call. Slow play for how long?

I would jam turn. Someone probably has a set and you don't want them to draw cheaply.

Seems like a good spot to stick it in.

This might be a hot take, but I think the preflop raise is bad. You're raising a hand that will not have high equity against anything that calls, that might get called by hands that dominate it, that might fold out hands that you want to play against like suited connectors. You're also potentially folding out hands at all, while you have the best possible hand for multiway pots that exists (low suited Ace). And you're lowering the SPR, which this hand also doesn't want. I just don't see any reason to raise here. Limp and hope the two blinds come along as well so you have even higher chance to get it in flush over flush. Like again, you have a hand that's unlikely to make a strong-ish hand (like a pair with good kicker, which is the kind of hand you want to have heads-up), but which can make the nuts, so you want it to be as multiway as possible.

Turn, I'm not raising the nuts in position.

Yeah, I would limp behind preflop.

Highly unlikely V1 is bluffing after getting called in two spots on the flop. I’m putting more money in now and not risking an action killing river.

Also V2 could have a hand like KJ with Ks which will potentially put in more money on the turn but will not put in any more money if they whiff.

I really doubt that K♠ leads for 85% pot, 240 bucks, into two people on the Turn. To me this screams strong hand. Probably a made Flush. Maybe a set. Raising on the Turn is ridiculously strong and gives a low flush a way out. If the have the flush and the River doesn't pair they'll bet again, and then you can raise and get everything. Even if it's a set, you probably get more by leading the River.

If the board pairs, yea that sucks. but if they have a set that's only a 20% chance.

As played I think turn is close ...

Can obviously shove.

Or call and hope the board doesn't pair and another spade doesn't hit ... then you can likely call it off vs. at least one worse flush. If it checks to you on the river, without a board pair you obv. shove but who knows if you'll get called.

Also going to suck a lot if river is a 3 and V1 tanks and then shoves and V2 folds.

The weird thing is that jam turn looks a lot more nutted than raise flop, without an image of being crazy.

Raise (or even jam) flop ... H can have at least some AsX and QQ, as well as the nuts. and IMO all Vs call all flushes, sets and sometimes even KsX.

But overcall flop, and then jam into bet+call on a straight card ... it's the nuts basically always. Maybe if the turn is Jc people could think you have AsKx, but even that's asking a lot.

tl;dr I think you are better off raising the flop this deep when it already isn't going to be HU.

I think you misread my post, I’m assigning Ks to the V who has flat called the flop and turn. 100% agree on the other Vs range you’ve assigned

Oops! You're right, I did misread your post, and yea also agree that Villain who flatted can have K♠.

Yeah, you want Ks and boat draws to put the money in on the turn. Also another spade may kill action. A paired board may kill action, and maybe beat you.

Grunch:

PRE - wondering if this is a slightly -EV raise.

FLOP - starting out as deep as we are, I wonder if we shouldn't raise small, like 3x-3.5x. Maybe could go $200. I just want to get more money in the pot as soon as possible.

TURN - yeah, I think we can jam. But calling doesn't seem bad either. Pot will be $1k and we'll have $500 left. Seems like it's all going in one way or the other.

I'm jamming, and if they somehow fold anything to a mere $500 in a $1k pot... you can bluff the heck out of them in the future. If V2 is getting sticky with Ksx get it in now. If either has a SF draw, get it in before they miss and maybe find a nitty check/fold. Generally, people will fold river more than turns. The SPR is low enough that only the weakest hands will fold and if they fold here they probably were check folding river anyway.

Don't get criticism of the raise pre - H is on the button and raising limping fish with wide preflop ranges. What are yoh doing, limping like a fish? Folding?

It is fairly close, but I think it is better to try to keep the pot small. Usually limp/calling to a raise from the blinds. You want to make the most profitable play, not to be worried about looking like a fish.

since H cannot ever fold as explained so far, this has to be a jam on the turn to deny odds to boat up and ensure you get paid by a set or stubborn 2 pair that will not fold. if they both fold take the pot, with 2 Vs you can't expect them both to be drawing dead. if you jammed and lost, sorry, it was the right move

I'm not worried about looking like a fish, I don't want to lose like a fish making fishy plays. We can play a $60-$90 pot vs 1-2 Vs, or we can play a $20-$25 pot vs 3-4 Vs.

I would rather play the smaller pot multiway with this hand. I don't think we are significantly ahead of limp/calling hands. Fish can limp with top 10% hands, which often have Axs dominated. A lot of the value is making nut flushes, preferably to stack someone set over set, for which it is better to be deep and multiway. You don't want suited cards to fold.

I meant you want to keep suited card in to stack someone flush over flush, not set over set. You can still win a big pot flush over flush starting out limped, and you are getting better implied odds limped. You want to keep suited cards you dominated in. You do not want to build the pot preflop when you probably do not have the best hand.

I think at 0.5 PSB OTT you want to jam before a bad scares V’s away. Assuming V1 will call, V2 is then getting 4:1 to call. Looks perfect.

I don't think I understand what it means to deny boat odds. Like denying equity would apply if we fold out hands that can draw out on us. But in this case, we want to get called by a set. If we raise and a set folds, then the raise was bad. So what are we denying?

The sets also already don't have the right price because they're paying almost pot for 20% equity.

I think this is true in the same way that you can bluff the hell out of most good players on the River if you have the nuts in your range, even if it's a tiny part of your range. Theoretically true, but good luck actually finding the spot where you take an already strong hand and turn it into a bluff for 1000$ or more vs. a player who you think has a strong hand like a small flush. Very few people are capable of doing this, so in practice it never really happens. (RE this hand.) I mean this is why people might actually fold a small flush here; even weak players know that there just isn't much bluffing in spots like these.

Also besides the small flushes, what might really fold are any 2 pair and small sets because they could think they're against a bigger set. Whereas if it goes check-check on the River and then hero bets, 3♦3♥ will pay again.

But people don't fold small flushes here any more than Banana was folding a boat. Nor is anyone folding a 33 OTT. But they might fold a set OTR if a fourth spade comes. They might fold 2P if the fourth spade comes, they definitely will fold Ksx if the fourth spade doesn't come. They'll call with 98ss all day long on the turn but might find a fold when the person last to act jams river.

Either Vs are calling with their value frequently and we can value bet all in, or they are folding value frequently and its a spot to bluff. There is no spot that is ever both, the two are mutually exclusive. If you think a jam is getting too many folds, then this is a spot you should be bluffing. As someone who has invested ample amounts of money into terrible bluffs, I think this would be a horrendously terrible spot to bluff with any hand because I expect Vs are going to snap call a ton. So being consistent with that logic, we want to jam this spot when we have value before a card comes that may kill our action like a 4th spade or pairing the board and a little flush or set, or 2P will all fold - all hands that are in both Vs ranges. I think its very reasonable for V2 to have 2p here, calling for the pot odds even if he feels like he's behind, and then fold to a jam on the river if he doesn't boat. But, while hope is alive and he has 4 outs, he's probably going to call. (And if you get 2P to fold with the odds you're laying that's a win long-term)

The only hands that we really don't want to fold are smaller flushes and Ksx. I think those call a ton anyway. If either V turned their cards face up and showed a small flush, I wouldn't try to bluff it - would you? Even if we were really deep and I could go 2x pot, I wouldn't be confident in getting enough folds. Therefore, we should be able to jam for value with confidence that we frequently get called imo.

There is 1/2 psb left. Just shove. You don't want to get shoved into on the river if the board pairs. You don't want a small flush to fold to river if another spade hits.