Unknown player wants to torch his money. Is 66 a fold?

The player going all-in blind on the first hand likely means an all-in blind in every hand until he shows otherwise. Absent the first call so you are HU an easy call. You seem to know V2; given you raised(if you know him he knows you) and he is trapped between you and the blind raise how do you range him? How do you view his not putting in his last $70; an invite or a sign of weakness? Clearly he is pot committed.

If I'm going to play bingo, I'm going to do it with a better hand than 66. Fold.

As for raise pre, I think given level of craziness and straddle, I just limp behind pre.

So the dynamic is that if you get a hand, call this guy, so V2 has a hand.

Passive guy, the question is would he call with AJo with you behind having opened the action.
My guess is he has better than that.

So, you have at best a flip vs one hand and another random hand. I think you lose more than you win, so fold.

In a normal situation, your button raise with 66 is a good play, but this is not normal. Maybe you haven’t seen that yet, but when someone starts the all-in blind stuff, it usually continues until they’re broke, or win a big pot and slow down again. You want to play 66 against him, but not when another player jumped in there first.

Limp behind is probably better with 66 anyway. You want to keep it multiway and can call a raise, but don't want to be 3!.

More important to limp behind if player may shove blind, because may cost more to fold.

You have to fold after another player calls. 66 plays well against a random hand but you could be badly dominated by the callers possible higher pp.

Call the first time, what are we accomplishing by raising? Once we get a limp call I think we have to abort.

I think just jam. Unlikely that V2 limped 77-AA.

66 has 63% equity against a random range so this is quite profitable for you. If you are against a higher pp it sucks, but I think a realistic range for V2 here makes this jam +EV.

I think V2 is strong. The problem with 66 is that you are always flipping with V2's high-card hands and are crushed by all of his other pairs, so your overall equity is not good. I would fold.

I like the raise in this scenario, btw, and I think it gives you more info about V2's hand, because you are completely uncapped and V2 is still calling.

If V2 had folded, it's obviously a snap call.

Knowing that V1 went AI blind the last time? I'd think V2 is limping everything they want to play, including AA. They can always rejam after the inevitable shove. With V2 calling vs rejamming over H, they clearly don't mind it going multiway. I'd strongly discount lower PPs from V2, and honestly a lot of unpaired combos like KJs/ATo, that sort of thing. Like combos that do well versus a 100% range but are at risk of getting dominated, if MW versus another, much stronger range. Like H's 66. All of those are getting folded or rejammed if aggro enough.

It's a limp 100% for H, IMO. AP, if we give V1 100%, and V2...AA-JJ(?), AQs+, AK(??), H has...27.4%

I have to give V2 a ~15% range for H to reach 33.3%. So, 77, A7s, K9s, QTs, JTs, AT, KT, QJ, and all above those. I don't think V2 is passive enough to limp/call all of those in the face of another player who RFI.

Let's say V2 has only 10% range:

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In this case, you still have 31.1% equity.

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Given the money in the Pot, this should still make it about break-even. So yea I guess the breaking of where the call goes from good to bad is just around the 10% range, so the question is whether you think the range is on average wider or tighter than that. I don't think it's crazy to think it's tighter or anything, but I'd still bet on wider.

I could also totally see folding there because you're not into the idea of a slight +EV spot at the cost of major variance.

It's just a gamble spot -- do you want to gamble? Can you buy back in? Will it tilt you to lose? Will it tilt you to fold the winner?

Yeah this. I think you're ok on equity (35-39%) if you knew V2 was unpaired but the times they have a higher pair makes this a fold. I don't see them having a smaller pair very often.

This is interesting, and obviously speaks to the fact that flipping with the whale's money in the middle is really good for us, but I can't see the average V2 type putting it in with the suited QX (even KJs and KTs seem like a stretch) so my guess is we have even less equity than 31.1%.

Would be a fun spot to jam it in and gamble, though. There will be a small sidepot, which is also probably good for us.

Curious to know the result of the hand.

Raising is absolutely "ok", because it forces HJ to make a decision knowing that you should more than a passive interest in the hand. He decided to jam. So now you just have to answer the question what V2 is willing to gii with. If you believe that V2 has only pps and limited unpaired hands like AK maybe AQ, you should fold. If you believe that V2 is going to have a good amount of unpaired overs or might do this with 22-55, then call.

When I say "passive reg", then I'm talking about someone who essentially has JJ+ here, and it's a snap fold. If it was a player I believed had the ability to read the situation and could be ripping KTs then its a call. It's only 54bb eff so V2 should be very wide with a lot of unpaired hands. Is V2 aware enough to know that? Only you can answer that.

i dont really get raising at all let alone 5xing lol

small % of the time u get punished like this but i just dont really get it. think u can and probably should iso to like 3x over the 50bb limp here anyways if you somehow wanted to raise this (ignoring that bb has to be like > 50% to put it in without looking and if he doesn't i dont think it matters that much)

Gamble, gamble.

I was at the card room 3 days later, and this same guy was back, doing the exact same thing - posting $200 straddles all-in, raising all-in preflop blind, etc. Another player said that this guy had been there the day before as well, doing the same thing. I'm really curious as to how he can just burn up money like that?!?!

Put an Airtag on him and show up every day he is there!

This hand reminds me of a local PLO reg who'll sit at 1/3 while waiting for a PLO seat to open up. He'll sit down with $100 and motion like he wants to jam out of turn pre, acting like he doesn't know what he's doing.

He's just doing it to get inside people's heads. He knows it's only binding action if no one raises in front of him.

What I've seen happen is that everyone at the table quickly realizes what he's doing and starts adjusting by limping in with hands they'd otherwise raise, and over-folding everything else.

I realized everyone was doing that, and just started opening my normal range in front of him. He'd chuckle and nod in my direction, act like he was scared of me, and fold.

One hand, UTG limps, action folds to me, I open 33 from the CO. PLO guy pulls back his $100 stack and folds in the SB. BB folds. Guy who limped in UTG now 3B's, but he was visibly frustrated by the situation, and only raised small. We're deep, and I'm in position, so I flick in the call.

Short version - UTG had AK. He c-bet the low-low-low disconnected board for a huge size, like full pot. I called. He checked turn. I bet big. He called. River goes check-check, and MHIG. I won $300 that hand.

PLO guy was quite entertained by the chaos he unleashed.

At this depth you're just getting stacks in, the only question you have to answer is how thin are you willing to go with this variance? Thick = [TT+ AQs+ AK] Thin = [77+ ATs+ AJo+ KTs+] imo. So this is on the thinner side.

very similar situation that takes place in our home game. Same group of guys for the past 15+ years.

Villain takes a beat in and hand and goes off the deep end. The game turns into 1- 3 - 300.

V has just rebought for the 6th time in 5 hours and is out to get even or even worse. The whisky is flowing and his pockets are deep. HJ has 77 calls the all in and beats 5-6 off suit. The very next hand I am the HJ with 77 and fold as I am not looking to flip for $300. The very next hand I am dealt 99 and call the $300 all in and hold.

The game ends an hour later after playing a Double Board PLO 8/ob best / best hand where the V turns quad 9, another player flopped the straight flush and a 3rd player turned a full house with a poor low. $3k+ pot and that was a wrap on the evening.

Curious to know what the least holding to call a $300 all in from the V as he has been doing this repeatably.

AT? TJ suited?

I don't think there is a point to raise pf. And I think it's a fold, although close.