$2-3 straddle hand with AKo. Fine with line?
Hey all, got a sticky theory hand I wanna hear about. Ok so we in a solid $2-3 game with an auto straddle to $6 on. Live.
Most folks have $1200+ stacks. I started hand with let’s say $1k- idk what I had but wanna guess $900-1100.
I’m not going to post result to influence but wanna see if my thoughts are valid.
Ok I have AKo red in sb. Good player makes it 30 ep, guy to his right mp flats. I have AKo and make it $120 from small blind. Ep opener flats and mp Folds. Heads-up we see KJ5 rainbow. I lead $80 into $276 pot (guess on size). He flats. Turn is a 6 of clubs so 2 clubs on board. I elect to check bc I don’t see getting value from worse. He bets $320. I think about jamming but I say let’s call and call rivers to induce spew and keep his weaker drawy holdings in. Villian is competent and aggro enough where he can bluff rivers. I considered jamming but I just don’t see value in it.
River is a 4 of clubs. We got 3 clubs on board. I check. He jams. I snap call bc I feel I have to call all rivers here. Do you like line. Do we ever fold river based on card that comes. I’m not posting his hand to influence. I felt I can never fold. Let’s say I had $480 on river to call off. Villian had me covered and prolly started hand with 2k. I think he’s aggro enough to bluff rivers.
Is my logic and hand played well? Do you ever jam turn? I thought jamming turn is no good bc it allows him to play perfect and takes out all bluffs or draw type hands
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I would keep betting turn but your line is good too.
Any thoughts on how big you bet turn if you do? I would guess chunky. Like closer to pot.
I check/jam the turn -- it's basically pot. He doesn't sound like the type to fold his draws, and if he does, so be it.
As played, you should call the river vs this player unless you get a read that he has it -- whatever "it" is.
other logic:
You bet on the turn to keep telling the story
I AM STRONG
A small flop bet means absolutely nothing in the realm of hand reading.
You bet on the turn to keep the initiative
You fold to aggression, you don’t induce it
Turn check does have meaning, it looks weak, often inducing a player to bet. I wonder how that changes things if villain’s not emboldened by this action. Do you want him charging ahead?
If he bets & you’re going to call again, you should bet instead - seems like theory
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To me, in most situations, a turn check caps you at one pair. If I have better than one pair, I come looking for value. If not, slow down
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Villain didn’t slow down
So, if villain loses to your top top after things unfolded this way, he might not be as good a player as you think.
Not feeling lucky in reading villains hand
He opened and then called a decent size raise, so he has something. What do you think he has? What are you targeting when you commit your stack after the flop?
Maybe you both can laugh when he has AK also?
Btw I feel I mixed up villians bio- I would say he seemed like a solid player: not someone I know from past but prolly a tad loose however decent poker player.
Hand result- villian had 79cc and I lost to a flush. Is it wrong if I think it’s a terrible call
By villian? 40bb pre seems massively spewy to call- maybe I’m wrong and don’t understand cash games lol.
Turn- I feel betting turn keeps in best part of range and allows villian to play perfect. If I bet turn- prolly going chunky like 60-100% of pot and planning to check back river bc we never getting called by worse really.
Turn- maybe I’m supposed to x jam turn bc most chips are in and pot is huge. Idk hard to say. Just felt like I could let villian blast river. Turn- I call with plan to call river- unless I’m against a super nit- feel we can’t fold river.
I know small cbets are trendy, but I don't care for flop sizing. Turn, once the you look weak again, just check/shove. Barreling might be better though. Not sure about river.
Nah I mean I kinda agree. I think smaller cbets tend to work better for tournaments when stacks are short (think like 20-50bb deep average stack).
For cash- I’m iffy on it. I’m fine with smaller cbets when pots get bloated with preflop action like a chunky 3 bet or a 4 bet. I don’t see purpose of going bigger- if I’m going to cbet close to 100% when I 3 bet in position for example- why not cbet smallest amount where we can still get a fold? Like if we going chunky with cbets, we really shouldn’t cbet a big amount so we lose less when we are light.
I do agree though we kinda wanna get stacks in with AKo when it’s tp. Idk still iffy about this theory though when we are sat 300-400 bb deep bc most folks shouldn’t be getting stacks in without AK beat in this spot.
I don’t see it as a terrible play by villain…
The turn check was a mistake on your part.
I think if you bet there, he goes away.
Check showed weakness, so villain picked up a flush draw and bet as a semi-bluff. He was not expecting you to call the overbet.
Then, lo and behold, he hit the flush and got your money
When you 3! AK and make TPTK, you need to look to get stacks in. Not sure you can worry about if he hit a set or something. Don't understand the weak betting. You could represent AK on this board if you had AQ/99/Axs etc. With what he had, you probably get stacked by the backdoor flush regardless.
As far as preflop, I don’t know you…
They fold when I 3bet, because I’m tight
Has villain reason to think you 3bet lite?
A recurring theme I see throughout the population, is that once villain opens, he calls the 3bet to see a flop no matter how dumb that might be. If this is the case, it was a bad play by villain.
But I would try to become more aware of how you are being perceived by the other players. There might be something there.
Overall, please don’t dwell on it. Just another stupid hand of poker where you got unlucky. Happens all the time in this game.
This is a great post. Ahh trust me- I’m not dwelling on the hand- I just wanna make sure it was ok bc I was autocalling all river jams. Might be a big mistake but feel I gotta with line I took in the hand. I feel maybe I’m
Supposed to just jam turn and get it in ahead against the draws and lose anyways. Letting villain see river allows them to x back most of time correctly when they don’t improve- when I call 320 on turn- I don’t think I’m folding a lot on river.
The perception I give off is tough to judge. Based on appearance- I’m a younger looking mid 30s male that prolly gives off a lag vibe. I played tournaments and was quite successful so I def play fairly loose in comparison to standard population. In game- I felt I was tag solid and not too crazy- maybe showed some hands when I folded to 3! With a looser open or standard open that can’t call a 3!. As played, I don’t think calling 79cc is good against one of my 3! To 4x bc I’m def top of range like 10-10+ A-10s+ most likely.
