The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

I need to spell it out I see...

The instructions:

1) Play a few hundred hands and get the inevitable multiple quads over quads

2) Screenshot them

3) Post those screenshots

Clear?

JFC. The instructions for posting screenshots from mobile!!!

JFC if you are too stupid to know how to post screenshots how are you able to log-in on a pokersite at all. Or are you just to lazy to figure out how to do it yourself?

You screenshot all the quads over quads you encounter every day
Upload them to a online sharing site like imgur or gyazo
Post the links here

I don't know what specific issues you're having with posting screen shots from mobile--everyone has different phones and software. But how about this--take the screenshots and just let us know once you have 3 quads over quads hands. It shouldn't take more than a few days to get that, right? Then, I swear on my life, I will do everything I can to help you figure out how to post them. If necessary, I'll DM you my phone number and you can send them to me directly, or I'll walk you through the process step by step. But first verify that you actually have the screen shots. We're not going to spend a bunch of time helping you post pictures you don't have yet, when the whole crux of this thread is that we're very skeptical that you'll ever obtain those pictures.

This is where he is wrong. The more hands you play, the bigger the variance gets, and there is often no convergence with EV. You can see this clearly with the poker variance calculator, the bigger the sample size is, the bigger the confidence intervals get.

Its quite astonishing really how the players who witness these extraordinary situations that could be a sign of a rigged rng are coincidentally also always the individuals who put the absolute least effort in when it comes to providing those hands.
They really want the world to know poker is rigged... yet they wont even go the length of learning how to post screenshots.
Its really mind-boggling.

Yeah, and the guy also has some visual impairment that prevents him from doing this on a regular computer so he has to use mobile. And he has a glitch in his software that precludes him from getting hand histories, something other Global users don't suffer from. Some real "My Canadian girlfriend's dog ate my homework" vibes here.

So you are saying you've never gotten a hand with 2 and another card? it's always 22? How many hands have you played? if that is happening you should record a session (I know you cant export hh from wsop) and share on YouTube or something because that would be remarkable. 200-300 hands would be good to see, more obviously better.

I think he is saying the first (or left) card of his holding cards is always bigger than the second (or right) one.
So you'll always have i.e. 87s or K3o but never 78s or 3Ko

I dont play WSOP but I assume in that case its totally fine and has nothing to do with RNG, their dealings are fair and random. The way they deal the cards i basically animation and they choose to display in this way. (it kinda makes sense because everyone says 87s or K3o, nobody says 78s or 3Ko. The dealing is done in a milisecond so they know which 2 cards you're going to get and the animation-dealing shows it in a descending card order)

Its easy to check though. Because the way you describe it you should be getting way less broadway hands (JT, QT, KT for example because if the first card is a ten you're already out of luck for broadway).
So if you are getting broadways at an expected frequency its all fine, if you are getting way way less (what would be the consequence if the dealing system was flawed in the manner you describe) there is an issue.

Edit: WSOP in compliance with regulations have been RNG tested and passed. If dealings were skewed in a way that the "first card" determines the second they would have never gotten their rng certificate.

LMAO, as if you even understood what variance means. Just quit poker, you are clearly not smart enough.

It would be slightly more convenient if they were done this way tbh, but probably it would cause too many people to start questioning the RNG.

well, not that many because its only 1 poster asking about it
I think (almost) anyone knows the optical dealing of cards online is just graphics and just the visualization of the RNG process and not the core of it

True, and looking at recent videos that is how wsop.com displays hole cards.

Where has mr big stack gone? He should have had a dozen quads over quads by now

Clearly he spooked Global Poker by exposing their rigged RNG, so they've reacted by no longer rigging his hands, denying him the hard proof he needs to convince us skeptics. Always one step ahead!

I have never gotten a deuce 3 or 2, 4 or 2, 5 or 2, 6 or 2, 7 or 2, 8 or 2, 9 or 2, 10 or 2, j or 2, q or 2, k or even 2 A. I always get 2, 2, I have hands that I have written down from the games I was in. I have even taken a couple pictures. Something extremely fishy is Happening and I am surprised that no one else has noticed. This is why I am wondering if anyone else gets dealt a 2 if it also is always another 2 for pocket deuces.

Did you read the other responses in this thread? It's just that the site sorts your cards, high to low. So if the first card you see is a 2, it's because you have 22. If you have K2 or something, you'll never see the 2 first, you'll see the K first. It's not fishy in the slightest.

See https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

But but but... He has some hands written down!!!
And and and... He has taken a couple of pictures

What more can you expect from him? Case closed!

He still waiting for that moment and will be waiting for a very long time haha.

He was about to uncover a rigged site that delivers quads under quads every 100 hands

And no he doesnt respond anymore

These crooked guys probably assassinated!! These maffia sites will stop at absolutely nothing.

So its been a while since I compiled some stats. I did try to 2 months ago but Holdem Manager crippled their trial software which leaves Poker Tracker as the only option. So last time used Poker Tracker I posted stats on how often one or more aces hit the flop when I had pocket kings, and how often I hit A and/or K, A and/or Q and A and/or J on the flop when I had AK, AQ and AJ, respectively.

With 80571 hands played I was dealt pocket kings 374 times. I saw the flop 311 times, the turn 262 times and river 234 times. On the 311 flops one or more aces hit the board 83 times, on the 262 turns ace(s) hit the board 89 times, on the 234 rivers ace(s) hit the board 95 times. Before any cards are dealt here are the odds at least one ace will hit the board and what actually happened.

Flop 21.73% vs 83/311 = 26.69%

Flop and Turn 28.12% vs 33.96%

Flop, Turn and River 34.11% vs 40.59%

I was dealt AK, AQ and AJ a combined total of 2911 times. I saw the flop 2355 times. A corresponding A, K, Q and/or J hit the flop on 703 hands. With 6 matching cards the odds of connecting on the flop is 32.42%. The actual percentage was 29.85%. Too many screen shots to post but there is your 99% confidence interval.

But that's not what your calculating! When you're dealt KK, the odds of an A on the flop is higher than before any cards are dealt, because two non-aces have been removed from the deck. You're calculating the odds of an A on the flop as 1- (48*47*46)/(52*51*50) = 21.73%, but it's actually 1 - (46*45*44)/(50*51*49) = 22.5%.

I'm not going to look through the rest of what you posted if you're getting the basics wrong.

THIS JUST IN!!! AMAZING3338 DOESNT UNDERSTAND MATH!!

lololol

edit: somehow the calculation for the 99% confidence interval was missing. But perhaps thats for the better 🙂😃