1-2-5 Top pair, donked into

Could go either way between flatting and raising. Seems like the EV's run pretty close.

You being a MAW, and V1 likely thinking you're capped if you call, I might call, to see if V1 raises, with a plan to call if he does. Might even put in a cheeky back-raise if V2 calls.

My thinking is that young guys will likely think you're playing fairly straight-forward, and if you flat, they can push you around by raising a lot. If you come back over the top, he's snap-folding every hand that isn't nutted.

If we want to skip the armchair psychology and just play the strength of our hand vs their ranges, go ahead and raise, though I doubt V2 is donking with many worse TX combos. Maybe T9. We might get him to fold a chop.

If we raise and V1 calls, I'd likely size way up on a turn brick.

60-80 will do just fine to price out V1 and leave you enough room to fold if he jams
*Edit* if we have AT or maybe even KThh i can see a flat, but with JT there are 18 cards we dont want to see on the turn as it will put us in a tough spot ( 9 diamonds, 3 Aces, 3 Kings, 3 Queens) better to raise here and price out the loose floats. V2 jams we are obv calling

We just sat down. I don't know what to make of V2's 1/3 pot donk on this board, when it's multi-way. The bet size suggests weakness, but the fact that it's multi-way and he otherwise doesn't seem comfortable might make it less likely he's FOS and more likely he actually has a hand.

The board is fairly connected and dynamic. If we raise and get called, we'll be guessing on a lot of turn cards. I don't mind flatting to keep the pot size more manageable while we gather more info. If the turn is just a brick and V2 checks to us, we've got the green light to bet our hand for value.

Meanwhile, V1 is still un-capped. He can have 2P+, a draw, 1P, or total air. We have a hand that can stand some heat if V1 wants to take the betting lead. It's kind of in-between - not strong enough to want to play for stacks, not weak enough to want to turn it into a bluff.

Raising TP doesn't seem terrible, but it could be over-playing our hand. We can figure that out for less by just flatting.

You're never raising here. Fish donkbet to make worse hands fold and better hands call. Raising only helps to make his life easier so he can get away, not to mention this is multiway so you have no idea what the remaining players might have. By raising you are in essence carrying the donkbet forward into their range to serve the same purpose; they'll fold worse and call/raise better, the opposite of what you want.

Well, this was such a draw-heavy board, and I thought V2 was really week, so I raised to $75.

I raise from UTG+1 w/ JhTh, V1 and V2 call.
Flop (~$45): Td7d3h

V2 donks $15, I raise to $75, BOTH players call. OK...

Turn ($195): Td7d3h 8h

V2 goes all in for $100, almost like he was waiting to shove turn.

Hero?

Rejam.

Don't see how we fold TP + FD + GSSD. No sense in letting V1 draw for cheap and possibly get away from his hand on the river.

Yeah I mean at this point it's just whatever. Could he have ATo? Sure. A million diamond combo draws? Definitely. In this spot I'm gonna roll my eyes when I lose and just mumble to myself "gonna be one of those nights" or be pleasantly surprised by 99 or 45dd.

2d on the river!!!!

I raise from UTG+1 w/ JhTh, V1 and V2 call.
Flop (~$45): Td7d3h

V2 donks $15, I raise to $75, BOTH players call. OK...

Turn ($195): Td7d3h 8h

V2 goes all in for $100, almost like he was waiting to shove turn.

Well, I have top pair, gutter, and flush draw. Plus, how strong can V1 be? I shove for $170, V1 calls.

The river is, indeed, a little diamond. V2 has J9o and V1 has Kd9d. LOL.

Poker is alive and well!

After raising flop and getting called by both opponents, we got stacks in on the turn with a weak TP + BD3rdNFD + GSSD vs a made straight and an over-card + FD2ndNFD.

Yeah, I think we would have been better off flatting the flop and seeing what develops. Our hand wasn't anywhere near strong enough on the flop to want to play for stacks.

Even if we think V2's donk is FOS, V1 is still behind us, with an uncapped range. If we flat the $15 and he over-calls, it seems likely he has a piece of the board, and V2 is likely either going to slow down and check the turn, or barrel, probably for a large size, and just let us off the hook.

I like raising when I'm ahead and making players make mistakes. They just happened to catch up.

It was however strong enough to raise for value.

This is a garbage thought process to say that V1 is uncapped after he just calls the donkbet. V1 likely thinks that the V2 small donkbet is weak and he didn't bother to raise over it on a wet flop texture. I highly doubt that he is choosing to slowplay T7s top 2 pair or a small set.

So what does that mean?

V1 is probably CAPPED. So it's garbage thought process for docvail to say that V1 has an uncapped range. If docvail actually thought through it objectively, he would stop trying to justify his lazy thinking with garbage reasoning.

You weren't ahead. You had the best hand at the time, but you were basically flipping against K9dd. You both had about 45% equity on the flop.

If you want to make this play, raise bigger, to really make them pay to realize their equity. Make it $130, and as they're thinking, count out the rest of your stack and let them know how much you have left. They'll get the message that you're sticking the rest in on the turn.

He hadn't called the donk bet yet, when hero put in a raise. He was still behind us. So, yes, he's uncapped at that point in time.

You played the hand fine and your flop raise size is fine too. If you're going to make it $130 may as well just shove.

My bad I read the hand history wrong. I apologize for what I said re: uncapped

Did you think you were ahead with jack high when you raised preflop?

Yeah, I don't understand the logic of "I think V2's donk is weak, so I'm going to raise, so they can make mistakes."

If V2 is weak, he already made a mistake by donking. Raising seems likely to help him avoid making further mistakes.

If we think our hand is best on the flop, and strong enough to raise for value, and we're expecting opponents to call with worse, let's raise to an unreasonable size, like $120 or more, so we can just get the rest in on the turn.

Wait, what? I guess you raise pre flop only w/ AA? What a boring, losing strategy.

I didn't raise so they could make mistakes. I raised to get them off their draws, and I raised enough so that calling with their draws was a mistake.

You said you want them to make a mistake. "Raised to get them off their draws" sounds like you wanted them to fold. But then you say calling was a mistake because of the price they paid.

If calling when they're not getting the correct price is a mistake, calling a bigger bet would be a bigger mistake. Folding to a big raise wouldn't be a mistake. It would be the correct decision.

You didn't raise enough to put them in a spot where they have to choose between making the correct decision to fold or making the biggest mistake possible by calling. You raised just enough to pot commit yourself to calling the rest off on the turn, when they either shouldn't have seen the turn or should have known getting the rest in would be a forgone conclusion.

They may have made a small mistake by calling your raise. You made a bigger mistake by raising small.

And as it happens, K9dd didn't make a mistake. You gave him exactly the correct price to call.

Flatting the flop donk would have been fine. Raising huge to protect a vulnerable thin value hand in a multi-way pot would have been fine. Raising small to maybe get them to fold but also maybe get them to call with a bunch of equity is meh.

So you open wide to avoid boredom?

You open only w/ AA to be an open book and not win any pots?