Just another scary hand

Frankly, I don’t think I played any of this hand well, but it is interesting…

V as described has a ton of nonsense air in his range, so I think calling is the only reasonable option. Let him keep barreling turn with everything.

If it was HU, a call would be alright. As is, there are 3 other people in the pot, it is time to re-raise. With unknowns, I'd just jam here. Really hard for 1/3 players to fold an over pair on the flop. If someone has a set, you were going to lose your stack anyway.

I call and let him keep barreling, but I don't mind a raise.

Bet bigger on the flop. Probably potting it. Very unlikely we get x/r'd if we pot it.

As played, we have position, so call and see what he does on the turn. If he's been playing LAG, it seems likely he has the same hand or 33 for value, or he's just FOS. If he's FOS we've got nothing to worry about.

It seems odd to me that he'd check top 2P or bottom set from LP in a multi-way pot on a somewhat dynamic board. Best guess is he's up to shenanigans.

if its rainbow board just call, if its a flush draw board then 3b small to GII on turn

The pot is roughly 135
Hero re-raises to 150
Quick call

Oh No
The turn pairs the board 8733
Counterfeited
If villain has a big pair, which seems likely, we are now behind.

Villain is still giving the evil stare down, but he checks again.

Hero?

Why does it seem likely villain has an overpair?

The "evil stare" is literally the first tell in Mike Cero's book of tells. It means, "please don't make a bet." As Mike wrote over 40 years ago, when a villain wants you to do something, disappoint them. Make a bet.

There are a lot of pairs or straight draw or even complete nonsense. 9T seems possible, sure. Spr is under 1 just jam. If he wins so be it. I’d be more scared of A3 than 99. Pocket pairs over 88 seems unlikely given preflop limps.

Whenever we can make the game easy we should do it.

We have about pot behind right?

I'm inclined to check and give him a chance to bluff the river. I'm not convinced we are behind, I think this is almost never an overpair - he'd have shoved flop if it was. If we're behind, it could be 3x. But V probably has OESD and 8x, I expect he will jam both on a brick river. I'm not sure he calls 8x if we jam.

Check back with the intention of calling river a lot.

Every time I see this tell, I wonder if my opponent is trying to reverse it on me. Caro's book is over 40 years old. Surely everyone knows this tell by now, right?

I've yet to see anyone reverse it. The mean mug is almost always a reliable tell of weakness.

It seems like I see it more often when someone has made a big bet and it's on me to act. I don't see it as much when someone checks. Though maybe I'm overlooking it more in those situations, because I'm looking at my chips to cut out a bet, or whatever.

I don't understand what a turn jam is trying to achieve? What we know about V is that he likes to be the aggressor and nobody has stood up to him. Vs who like to bully are generally going to have ranges that are too wide and their mistakes tend to be betting too often.

If we jam, we remove Vs ability to bet. Now he's calling or folding and it's pretty easy for him to call with value that beats us. Is he going to call with a SD? Is he going to call with 8x? I don't think that's clear. H looks like he has an overpair, I think a lot of aggressors give up when you slam the door by jamming and probably folds more or less appropriately. It's a lot like the recent thread with Banana bluffing 65h into QQ7 - V let him off the hook by betting value and saving him from what was likely a punt.

V's primary mistake that we have observed is that he bets too frequently. We don't know if he calls too frequently. Give V a chance to punt. Don't let his air off the hook. If V has 65 here, he is probably betting most rivers when he has 6h and H looked scared OTT. Let him. If V has 8x and is looking to showdown cheap, he will check river and we can bet then.

If we had T9 here, I'd feel good that jamming turn gets enough folds to be printing because this V is probably too wide and too weak.

Check / call river bet. No gambler is limping w/ a pair, let alone a pair 99 or bigger.

I don’t see many nonsense calls playing 1/3 when I bet $150

I think V's line on the flop is FOS.

You stabbed $15 into a pot of, what? $24? He's been running over the table, with no resistance, so he makes it $75, expecting you to auto-fold.

You're the nitty old man in the game. You're poking your head out when action checks to you. He probably thinks you're stabbing with some weak 1P or just ace-high, because you'd bet bigger with 2P+.

But you min-clicked it. No one x/r's and folds to a min-click. He could have air and he'd call just to avoid looking like an idiot for x/r-folding. He's got an image to protect. If he folds to a min-click, the rest of the table will start playing back at him.

We're supposed to think he's limping pre with 99+, and then going for a check-raise in a multi-way, limped pot? I'm not buying it.

He's going for a check-raise on the flop with 87, or 33? Nah. Especially not when the turn is another 3. Maybe he has 87. But we block that, and he probably just gets it in with 87 on the flop when we click it back.

He's angry at himself for torching $150, and knows he has to fold if you breathe on the pot, even if he has 87. That turn card is the worst for him.

He's gonna need to show me he's capable of slow playing by limping pre with big pairs, or capable of slow playing 2P+ on the flop when multi-way. Unless and until he shows me something different, I can't credit him with a hand that beats ours here.

If you really want to tilt him, down bet to 1/3 pot. Watch him agonize over having to fold to such a small bet after x/r-calling flop and seeing the bottom card pair. He's supposed to have 2P+ when he x/r's. How the hell does he not get it in on the flop, and then fold on a card that either boats him up or is just a brick?

If he mucks, don't show. If anyone asks what you had, say you had 54 suited.

Why are we over limping the button with anything? Why are we playing 87o(I'm assuming since suited wasn't specified) in the first place?

Both because it's live 1/3.

Of course it was 87s but no flush was a factor. I think a lot of you had a better read of the situation. So,

Hero bets $200 on the turn and villain calls instantly
????
Really confused me now, just kept staring me down.

Why did he not think about it?
Shouldn’t he at least be considering a shove?
Did he think he’d take it down on the river?
I only have 90 left

The river bricked and he checked again.
Continuing to look relaxed and comfortable, Hero confidently moves all in.
Villain’s cards hit the muck at the speed of light.

No hands were shown, but I’m pretty sure villain made a mathematical mistake.
Is it possible he went all that way with a draw?

Don’t know what cards villain had, but he decided I had better ones. I may have botched this specific hand, but targeting the wide opener paid off.

He must have had a SD. He knew he was beat and decided to fish for his 4-8 outs. Maybe you won $200 more than I would have. Would be interesting to know if he bluffs river after we check. Who knows, if he's calling $200, maybe he would have called a jam, and those who said jam are right.

I suspect you weren't really all that concerned about him having an over-pair on the flop, if you bet $200.

If you only had $90 left, you should have just jammed all in on the turn. If he's calling $200 into $325, he's calling $290.

If he also had 87, that would make some sense. You could have an over-pair to the board, he thinks he's trapping, but then his 2P gets counterfeited on the turn 3. At that point, there's no reason for him to jam for another $90, when you might check back the river with your busted draws and maybe even check back an over-pair that gets "lost".

When you don't check back, he probably thinks he's making a good fold. He probably knew what he was doing before you bet, hence the snap fold. He only beats bluffs, and he doesn't think you have any.

T9 has plenty of outs against our hand but that was his best case scenario. Why leave 90 behind?