How much would a 500nl reg lose against the top players 3 handed?
https://twitter.com/George_ymb/status/17...
Saulo and YouMadBro had this discussion/argument on twitter.
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Top 500 NL online player? I think barely losing if at all. Top 500 regs are incredibly solid and well studied. Let’s be honest most people playing high stakes sun ran an mtt or ran hot at the right time in the right games. I’ll take a top 500nl reg in any cash lineup
Top 100 NL online player? I think barely losing if at all. Top 100 regs are incredibly solid and well studied. Let’s be honest most people playing high stakes sun ran an mtt or ran hot at the right time in the right games. I’ll take a top 100nl reg in any cash lineup
Paistings I think barely losing if at all. Paistings is incredibly solid and well studied. Let's be honest most people playing high stakes sun ran an mtt or ran hot at the right time in the right games. I'll take Paistings in any cash lineup
Top play money online player I think barely losing if at all. Top play money regs are incredibly solid and well studied. Let's be honest most people playing high stakes sun ran an mtt or ran hot at the right time in the right games. I'll take a top play money reg in any cash lineup
Jokes aside, some of the current top NL500 regs will become better than Linus and Davy in the future, just like Linus and Davy were NL500 grinders once a upon a time and overtook older highstakes crushers.
Yes, they obviously improved further while moving up beyond that, but much of their skill was already there when playing NL500. They probably already had the skill to beat higher stakes while playing NL500, but they had to build bankroll.
It's the same in all sports. Talents can go from "lowstakes" to "highstakes" quickly.
It's like saying that 18 year old football talents couldn't possibly compete with the best in front of 60 000 people because they grinded a lower division in front of 600 people just a few months ago.
I was joking, hopefully the guy who first brought the message won't take me as disrespectful and will laugh a bit. I mean, play money, c'mon, it was funny right? 😃
Anyway, I am on a small study group but with a diverse range of stakes, and the highstakes guy said one thing about current state of the games, from small all the way to mid-high, that made total sense.
In a world where CFPs, especially CFPs that also stake players, become more common, there are less skill jumps between limits: smallstakes becomes somewhat tougher than it is supposed to be, but midstakes becomes somewhat softer. Due to coaching in general. But coaching being obviously a bit more massified.
Assuming regs who got to midstakes were moving up and graduating from the lower limits, and they were doing it mostly by themselves, there was a sort of natural selection going on where someone who graduated to the "top" had to be very good.
If you start giving smallstakes players a strategic map, even if, again, it is a bit more massified, plus money, no way those guys will be as good as the self made people from the past were.
These are assumptions, but they look very logical to me.
Cheers!
Yes, they obviously improved further while moving up beyond that, but much of their skill was already there when playing NL500. They probably already had the skill to beat higher stakes while playing NL500, but they had to build bankroll.
I always thought this was the case, until I started playing some strong hs regs and realized I sucked
(just my experience)
Jokes aside, some of the current top NL500 regs will become better than Linus and Davy in the future
Pretty sick that we are waiting almost 10 years now for this to happen, says something about Linus how far ahead of the curve he was (and probably still is)
I always thought this was the case, until I started playing some strong hs regs and realized I sucked
(just my experience)
Are you a future hs crusher, though? 😉
My comparison was more like Linus/Davy (while they played NL500) playing against NL5k+ crushers back then.
How much of their skill was already there when they played NL500 relative to the guys playing >10x the stakes?
Or like in football terms: if you look at the best players in the world, how much of their skill was already there when they were 18 years old and played in youth teams/lower divisions compared to when they peaked?
For the greatest talents I think most of their skill was already there given that some of then went from youth teams straight into being great against the best.
I don't know if I should answer this fake-humble or realistic
or both
(thought you meant in general that some 500 players have the skill of hs players, which I disagree with)
Or like in football terms: if you look at the best players in the world, how much of their skill was already there when they were 18 years old and played in youth teams/lower divisions compared to when they peaked?
For the greatest talents I think most of their skill was already there given that some of then went from youth teams straight into being great against the best.
Feel like the 3rd division (or lower division) would be 2k and not nl500 If we want to make this comparison. Also I think you learn by playing good players by being put in different/tougher nodes, probably more hungry or forced to study more because your weakness are coming to light more often etc.
Also I think you learn by playing good players by being put in different/tougher nodes, probably more hungry or forced to study more because your weakness are coming to light more often etc.
Good point. It seems like most people in this thread thinks the NL500 guy will remain static in his skill, but he will obviously learn a lot when playing against Linus/Davy.
Linus and Davy are already close to their peak potential, like body builders that have lifted for 15 years, but a 18 year old talent currently playing NL500 will learn at a much faster rate. Law of diminishing returns ,etc.
So even if Linus/Davy will start out with a big edge, the biggest NL500 talent will learn a lot while playing, and will decrease that skill gap.
And if it is a generational talent, even overtake them during the challenge.
Just like is seen in all kinds of sports, and also science, business, art, etc.
Of course the samples are far too small to actually take seriously (and drug is one hellavu drug in the case of stefan), but at the very least you have to appreciate the cosmic comedy of it:
* Not only does a former saulo student win the whole thing
* Linus ends up dead last
* Stefan ended dead last in the nl500 championship
"Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony"
*current student
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I'm playing 4 tables of 500nl right now, where are these HS guys you want me to beat up?
I don't think I'm losing more than 5bb/100 in any 3 handed lineup, I'm practically clairvoyant at this point guys.
a huge chunk of the CG championship pool used to grind NL500zoom for years.
prodigy
limitless
tax
linus
davy
foursixfour
munez
jsamgale
to name the ones I know of, prolly few more in there, no point really with this post, just that if the current 500z pool that havent moved out of it in years they prolly dont have what it takes for the next level regardless of exposure to playing with the goats or not.
ChanY here on the fourms on chani1995 on pokerstars would destroy stefan or linus 3 handed. probably 350BB/100 winrate for chanY and they would quit and not play him.
ChanY would also beat anyone at nose bleeds 3 handed in PLO.
