Preflop spot at big game

You are 90x against V3, even shorter against V1 and V2.
Pretty standard shove imo.

You might fold if you are somehow scared money (but then, is it a good idea to play at all ?) .
Flatting would be plain nonsense.

Ask for the all in button.

VPIPing should be pretty 0EV in this config, but if the LAG does typical LAG stuff with a bunch of fish putting dead money in the pot, then there should be plenty of EV to just jam and pray.

I don't feel like explaining my thoughts on smaller 4bs at the moment. You should be capable of doing it, but there's a lot of blunder potential in the sizing and follow up actions, especially given the shorties, and there's just no need to get involved with all that with AKo.

This will be a very clear +EV jam along with AKs, can balance the jam with some frequency of KK as well. Would use AA/QQ smaller 4b sizing, and AQs some frequency as my primary 4b bluff here. W/ QQ planning to find 4b folds if it goes jam and re-jam.

Aside - I find Banana’s posts engaging and fun. Last time his read on a passive player was he 4b 44 , so at this point tentatively still accepting of his reads but keeping an eye on them 😀

Ok so to the people saying 'lol jam bro' - V1s range imo is TT+ AJs+ KJs+. He's not opening 30 with 88 or A5s at this game.

Also: V3 would know V1 is tight

believe it or not this is a call (but never folding regardless of preflop action). What seems to have happened here is the game is too big with the double on. Nobody at your table is a 10/20 player so everyone is out of their comfort zone which tends to make people clam up. It's one of the reasons I'm against straddling in fishy games, they dont really like it and just go along with it "not to be that guy" but silently make the adjustment that if you're going to force them to play bigger they're going to just play tighter.

This is exactly what happens. I keep trying to tell the grinders to stop turning what could be a very profitable 2/5 1500 cap into a 5/10 3k cap that only 4 or 5 people will comfortably play.

The other thing that happens is the fish hit-and-run this game like they're driving on a suspended license... 🙄

Result: I just decide there's no merit in calling, and shoving gets called at almost 100% frequency by a PP from either BB, UTG, UTG1, V1, V2 or V3, four uncapped ranges and two capped.

I fold, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG1 folds, V1 calls, V2 calls - Flop ~400$ T♥ 5♣ 2♥, V1 checks (600$ish), V2 checks (400$ish), V3 shoves (covers), V1 folds saying later he had JJ, V2 folds saying he had a T, V3 just says 'good fold'.

Standard Stupidbanana thread where he asks for advice then goes against all the advices given to him.

I actually like the preflop fold.

Jam or fold I think is better than call.
Perhaps this is a gto call, but the spot is very tough. We don't close the preflop action. Some wiseass like v2 could raise v3 anyway if we call. Perhaps V1 will jam. Anyway we will be oop postflop.

We should consider the pot size too. There's ~210 in the pot at the decision point for Banana. In theory, the odds are worthwhile given blockers etc. getting 2-1. In practice, this hand is going to be over on the flop anyway given the likely SPR. So if V3 can 3b light here, we can jam and hope we're flipping with V1 with the dead money making it EV+.

I think it's a live read but I really dislike a flat call.

Okay, well then I'm glad I caveated because if ranges are tighter than they should be, then it's -EV to get involved and just fold.

It's a more interesting spot if original raiser has top 5% of hands but 3bor is a LAG who isn't adjusting properly. I think you just have to flick in that spot (it's basically a hybrid jam), but that seems pretty close-and-gross to me.

90bb deep with that much dead money this is the most obvious snap jam ever. The only issue here is that you're scared money. As for the actual decision, it's not hard to figure out why this is the easiest shove ever.

With this amount of dead money it's simply not.

Someone with a brain. Thank god.

If V3 knows V1 is tight and is actually good, I think it is best to fold.

Are you bluffing or value betting?

While I think the question is just silly I'll answer it regardless. I believe my shove is making money.

Because four uncapped and two capped ranges are going to call and lose more than 50% of the time? Or because they'll fold?

We either fold; which I think is perfectly OK here, or go all in as our hand needs to see all 5 cards to fully realize equity vs say QQ and with a call we normally only see 3 cards unless we hit on the flop. The advantage of the all in is we might get Vs with say pocket 9s to fold as they are either horribly dominated or a slight favorite against two overs and if there are still several players after them they need to worry about their hands as well. The disadvantage is with this many players how many of our 6 outs vs a pp are already in players hands. Obviously a certain percentage of the time we are up against AA, KK, or another AK all of which dramatically lower our equity. Given we believe most players are playing tighter due to the stakes are we getting enough fold equity; especially given there has already been comments about how tight we are playing, that it will fold out often enough to make up for the times we get called and are dominated.

It's hard for this not to be a profitable jam, between the times you pick up $200 uncontested and the equity you have when called.

I'm skeptical the original opener's range is that tight either. My suspicion is luckybanana is projecting his own nitty tendencies on his opponents. It's more likely a standard raise followed by an iso from the pro, in which case it's a fist pump jam.

Really though if both players are that tight that it's a fold, which is possible, then I guess you could go with your read.

This is a slam dunk jam sorry.

100% agreed. This spot isn't one of them though.

Between money in the pot, descriptions of villains and how hero is perceived, I fail to see how this is not a shove and my analysis is slightly more sophisticated than ''LOL you're all pussies, AKo is an auto-jam here'' all though I don't disagree with the quoted. It's a fairly standard spot that we should take advantage off.

This is fair, the use of dead money here is incorrect and you're right to call it out. The money in the pot certainly isn't dead.

Rolls eyes so hard my nose might start bleeding soon:

V1 is described as playing tight (read: good?) ranges preflop.
Will snap call any pair if H 4bet shoves cold though.

V3 is such a LAG he loves H. Has position and piles of chips and just seen tight guy open and get a single call from a fish... so an amazing squeeze spot.
He's now tight though, and AKo is crushed.

To be fair I (and I assume all others suggesting shove) probably have more fold equity than H when I shove here. And folding is way better than calling, so gg.

Translation: Yes, everyone keep folding top pair and overpairs. Genius players awards for everyone after the game, I'm buying because I have everyone's money because you got unlucky.

you guys are mental. V1 folds AQ- and maybe 99-TT to a shove and calls with AK and JJ+. Shoving accomplishes nothing.

Why post the hand then