2/5, family pot with AQo
2/5 at Hard Rock Tampa last night. After midnight, playing six-handed.
CO straddles $10. I raise to $35 next to act on the button with AQo. Literally everybody calls.
Flop: ($210) AT5 rainbow.
UTG donks $75. He's an older European dude, seems loose pre and potentially overagressive post. No hands shown down I can remember, but twice he has raised preflop and I've 3-bet him and he folded (once with AKs, another with QQ). I'm the only caller.
Turn: ($360) 6
UTG bets $225. I fold.
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Depth?
You were there, I wasn't, but I'm not folding to two barrels on AT56r(?). V really has AT/TT only here?
This is much different in my mind, than the recent Banana hand where AK 3!/called, then called down on K77J6, when the 4!er was read as passive and limpy to this point.
I was $1200 deep, and if he wasn't covering he was close.
I know I'm limiting his range to two pairs/sets, but I'm also not thinking he's donking into five people with AJ-, y'know?
Also potentially relevant information: this was the only 2/5 table running — everything else was 1/2 or 2/5/10. When we were down to five-handed for a spell we ran a $10 straddle to juice the action and the floor asked us if we just wanted to flip to 2/5/10, and Villain specfically said no. I agreed. So a $10 BB game is a bigger game than both of us want to play, and we both know it.
Against player described would call turn and may be a tough decision vs a river bet.
Hero can also raise/fold flop, as villain shouldn't have any leads here.
This is a really strong line from villain, and also you're getting almost 3:1 here. I go to the river and fold there if I need to, but I get wanting to just fold here.. I just think it's wrong, and you get shown KQ that was trying to get a cheap card on the flop and then decided to bluff once it got heads up, or AJ that just isn't sure what it is doing, or some other stupid nonsense enough to keep putting money in, in position.
flop is a sad call and turn is a fold. Competent players absolutely will donk the nuts in family pots because what tends to happen is the pots get checked through because everyone is waiting for the checkraise, especially with you being the opener from the BTN. It might be different if you were BB and he was SB, then he knows you will just cbet your strong hands into the field, but with you being last to act you can too easily just check back most of your range, even TPTK type hands.
Does the turn 6 bring a backdoor FD?
fold flop
He's not donking Ax on flop 6way.
Range is always A5, AT, 55, TT.
By folding AK/QQ to your 3bets means he is either very nitty or views you as a super nit.
Neither donks dry flop with less than 2pairs 6way
Flop donkbets in 6-way SRP pots are not always 2pair+ from Villains with the description given.
FWIW, I like calling the flop because we have position on Villain even if we are concerned that we could be in bad shape. Our position will allow us to make a good turn decision.
CO straddled. Then Hero raised preflop
So now that you know that it was a 6-ways SRP, would you like to add a new response that cancels out your old response to the OP's question on how to proceed on flop and turn
I think I'd still fold most of the time on the flop. Like call maybe 20% of the time.
Donking in a 6way srp still signifies massive strength. This is a static dry flop.
There is literally no bluffs unless villain goes crazy with random hands like KQ/KJ/JQ.
I guess villain can also get hyper aggro with random 5x/Tx.
Or he's a fish donking out with Ax.
If he's hyper aggro, we should've known by now.
If he's a fish, we should also already know by now.
Yet, villain is labeled as an older dude with "potentially overaggressive post" but no showdown.
In my dictionary, he's not crazy aggro unless proven otherwise.
As played, turn is a fold.
If we had AK this would probably be a call on the turn. Villain may himself have AK/AQ as well as the 2pr/sets.
I don't play 2/5 often at all but at 1/3nl you tend to see a lot of "same bet" with weaker aces rather than sizing up from one-third to nearly two-thirds pot. I guess if it's a weak ace which picked up a fd that's a possibility but we aren't going to guess the exact hand and are probably not in good shape.
2/5 at Hard Rock Tampa last night. After midnight, playing six-handed.CO straddles $10. I raise to $35 next to act on the button with AQo. Literally everybody calls.Flop: ($210) AT5 rainbow.UTG donks $75. He's an older European dude, seems loose pre and potentially overagressive post. No hands shown down I can remember, but twice he has raised preflop and I've 3-bet him an
Grunch:
I'm trying to remember what Raise Announced said about the Hard Rock. Something about everything we do there is supposed to be ironic, maybe?
PRE - Why u only raise to $35?
It's 2/5, after midnight on a weekend night, at the Hard Rock Tampa. On what planet does a $35 raise over a $10 straddle not go 6-ways in a 6-handed game? I think I'd go at least $40, and if the game is splashier than usual, I might go $50.
FLOP - Calling the small donk is fine. Folding seems a bit nitty. I could get behind a small raise, just to take back the betting lead and let him know he's OOL. A min-click might work well here.
TURN - How deep are we? The shorter we are, the more I'd want to fold. The deeper we are, the more I'd call. If he wants me to fold AQ here, he's going to have to bet again on the river, and for more than 2/3 pot.
I might still raise here, depending on how deep we are. It's not that I think we always have the best hand, but I'm not convinced he always has AK+, nor am I convinced we can't ever make him fold a better hand with the right application of aggression.
Seems fine and reasonable. I expect he had a set or 2 pair unless I have more reads. No reason to get carried away in a 6 way pot with 1 pair to UTG aggression.
Would be pretty adventurous for him to be bluffing with a worse hand.