Defending medium pocket pair on missed flop?
Hi all,
Let me know your thoughts on my play in the below hand, specifically:
- Did I make a mistake calling the 3bet? I felt like it was light, but I had positional advantage
- Did I make a mistake calling flop? My reasoning is that Villain has a lot of missed non-A hands he could be c-betting with, like QKs
Ignition - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 162.52 BB (VPIP: 26.23, PFR: 14.75, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 66)
UTG: 118.88 BB (VPIP: 18.03, PFR: 9.84, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 63)
Hero (CO): 174.24 BB
BTN: 378.16 BB (VPIP: 36.67, PFR: 30.51, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 63)
SB: 103.32 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 21.15, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 55)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BB has 6♠ 6♦
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) UTG has T♠ 7♦
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T♣ T♦
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BTN has 4♥ 7♣
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) SB has 9♥ 9♦
fold, Hero raises to 2.52 BB, fold, SB raises to 11.52 BB, fold, Hero calls 9 BB
Flop: (24.04 BB, 2 players) A♥ 8♣ 9♣
SB bets 11.4 BB, Hero calls 11.4 BB
Turn: (46.84 BB, 2 players) 3♠
SB bets 22.28 BB, Hero calls 22.28 BB
River: (91.4 BB, 2 players) 4♣
SB bets 58.12 BB and is all-in, fold
SB wins 86.84 BB
11 Replies
I don't want to be rude, but maybe you should not play 25NL if you are not sure calling TT preflop in this situation is OK.
you didn't answer my question
can you give straight answers please?
Definitely call preflop, and also call on the flop with the Tc. That's because a) there are many playable turns for your hand (J/T/8/non-broadway club) and b) your T outs are 'clean', meaning that Th and Ts can't give flushes to your opponent.
There are 9 and 8 on the flop and you have the T, so with T98:
- every J and every 7 will give you OESD and therefore provide you with some more oxygen to breathe
- T will be most likely your jackpot (unless he has QJs or AA)
- ♣ might also provide you with additional equity, though if he has A♣ / K♣ / Q♣ then you might be digging your own grave, but generally it's a good thing
I would be on alert with the 3 bet preflop. Stats don't scream aggro-loose to me. Still playing but I'm leaning in...
The flop sucks ass for TT. End of story. From the Ace, to the club draw, to the fact that you hitting a set is the wettest board for a 3 bet hand. Everything is in retrospect and I could stomach to the river but I would be looking for a cheap exit with that hand if it wasn't for the 1/2 pot bets. That is just a tough hand IMO. There is not necessarily anything wrong with what you did, you could consider a 4-bet in the future but I'm not sure what your image is at the table or if this is with regs, etc. These are the hands that have me actually shaking my head and doing an eye roll when I fold.
I would be on alert with the 3 bet preflop. Stats don't scream aggro-loose to me. Still playing but I'm leaning in...
The flop sucks ass for TT. End of story. From the Ace, to the club draw, to the fact that you hitting a set is the wettest board for a 3 bet hand.
The A sucks for sure, but what range do you put SB on? Just Ax? What about KQ/KJs/KTs/QJs/JTs/T9s? Do you think he will always bet KK-JJ? His 3-bet so far seems big. Only thing that makes me worr is his sizings, but still, is there any A-high board without a set that we could consider to continue on -> this is it.
Villain's range can be something like this:
Board:
[Ah 8c 9c]
Equity Win Tie
MP2 37.94% 37.45% 0.49% TdTc
MP3 62.06% 61.56% 0.49% 88+, 7d7h, 7d7s, 7h7s, 6d6h, 6d6s, 6h6s, A9s+, A5s-A4s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, 98s, Kh9h, Kc9c, Jh9h, Jc9c, Th9h, Tc9c, 8h7h, 7h6h, 6h5h, 5h4h, AJo+, KQo, KdJh, KdJs
Though I might have been mistaken that T98 is a good thing, since it helps Villain a lot. On a A92 we would have had more equity
Board:
[Ah 2c 9c]
Equity Win Tie
MP2 41.03% 40.65% 0.38% TdTc
MP3 58.97% 58.58% 0.38% 88+, 7d7h, 7d7s, 7h7s, 6d6h, 6d6s, 6h6s, A9s+, A5s-A4s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, 98s, Kh9h, Kc9c, Jh9h, Jc9c, Th9h, Tc9c, 8h7h, 7h6h, 6h5h, 5h4h, AJo+, KQo, KdJh, KdJs
Clubs actually help us more than whether the cards are connected. I forgot that with T98, J will give us an OESD, then we need a Q or a 7. We are unlikely to get paid on a 7 and with QJ98 you may get smacked by KT or QT on J987. So lesson learned, reverse implied pot odds are real and it's better to call on a drier runout with an underpair 😀
I would put him on premium hands considering his stats. Ax(5 and up) and premium pairs. Suited face cards. For me, I often put myself into the villains role when I am struggling with determining range.
If I have 88, 99, or Ax, I am betting that board like SB did, probably a little harder. Its not great and I need to make someone pay for the flush draw or straight draw. Everything is easier in retrospect but you are far more skilled at analysis than me.
4b pre, as played easy call flop. Leaning towards folding turn. If you didnt fold turn, definitely fold river.
Not the best/worst flop for range, sb shouldnt bet too much. When they barrel, i dont think we have enough going for us to call.
I don't think 4b pre is a good idea. SB vs CO 3b range might not be wide enough to justify this. If you get jammed on, you need ~~ 40% equity for a call and against JJ+, AK (say 2 out 6 JJ combo) = the minimum requirement for a call is AKo or QQ, even JJ is falling behind and TT is doing even worse. Call 3b, you have a good hand and you are IP as well.
I don't think 4b pre is a good idea. SB vs CO 3b range might not be wide enough to justify this. If you get jammed on, you need ~~ 40% equity for a call and against JJ+, AK (say 2 out 6 JJ combo) = the minimum requirement for a call is AKo or QQ, even JJ is falling behind and TT is doing even worse. Call 3b, you have a good hand and you are IP as well.
Im just a chart zombie - chart says 4b-call, i 4b and then call.
Villain has reggy enough stats (yeah small sample) that i think its justified to play "normally". Its definitely not only premium hands, although i would discount stuff like AQo if villain shoves.
I don't want to be rude, but maybe you should not play 25NL if you are not sure calling TT preflop in this situation is OK.
Also dont want to be rude but GTO is mixing call, fold , raise in this spot so being unsure would be spot on. (at least theory wise)
Edit:
Read it as HJ. CO is .5 bb to call nvm my witty remark then 😀