1/2: QQ facing heavy flop action

Pre is good.

Post:
I think if I'm on my A game, I make a nitty fold here. This is a horrible flop that hits their ranges, and I think your thought process is good. I would also add that even if they don't have hands that beat you now, they almost certainly have a ton of equity.

Raising feels like suicide, and if we call, we will still be in a world of hurt unless turn is a queen, likely facing big bets on the turn. And even if we hit our 2 outer, we could still be behind, and if not they still have a fair bit of equity going to the river.

Grunch:

PRE - think you could probably raise bigger. Maybe $25.

FLOP - Raising is out of the question. You have zero fold equity at this stack depth. Short of runner-runner As-Ks, you can't draw to the nuts, and even if you improve to a set you could still lose to a flopped straight.

The UTG flat of the big donk is the most concerning aspect of this, IMO. Ordinarily, I'd probably call and rage-fold the turn, but in this set-up, I might just LOL-fold right here and now.

Yep. Agree with above. I just sigh-fold. You have a good read on SB and then you have a tight player call -- use the reads.

if you arent behind now you probably will be by the river. just fold.

Fold is fine.

Even with the Qs, you're a laughably bad dog to a FD (my guess for the old nit calling) and you already know how dead you are to a straight.

This is never some ish like 87/76 from Whale, is it? That'd be the only thing maybe making me want to continue.

Fold with these reads. If we give whale sets/straights plus a bunch of big draws and 99 / TT, we're a dog to his range. Then we have a 3rd person that we're probably also behind. We can easily be in a situation where we're crushed by a set and our backdoor flush isn't even good.

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Board: 6♥8♠7♠
Equity Win Tie
MP2 47.54% 46.14% 1.39% { QsQc }
MP3 52.46% 51.07% 1.39% { TT-66, A8s, T7s+, 96s+, 85s+, 75s+, 65s, KsQs, AsJs, KsJs, QsJs, AsTs, KsTs, QsTs, JsTs, As9s, Ks9s, Qs9s, Js9s, As6s, Ks6s, Qs6s, Js6s, Ts6s, As5s, Ks5s, Qs5s, Js5s, Ts5s, 9s5s, As4s, As3s, As2s }
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Seems fine. I fold from my armchair. I probably call or raise in-game and regret it.

What happens when we remove some of the pair + gutter or even pair + 5x that doesn’t fit our read on whale? 47.5% seems very optimistic.

Also think he might donk out with T9 and 45 and whale might have those hands off suit. And 95 suited.

Folds. It's not even a discussion. Someone has bet pot on the flop, been called, there's someone behind you to act and even if your hand improves, which is unlikely, there's a good chance you're still beat.

Every single other person there will have an SPR of less than one after this. Good luck getting any to fold. This is easy and not even a question.

Fold > call > raise. Too many ways to lose and not enough fold equity. Don’t herocall your overpair into that action

Fold and move on. No big deal.

I'm surprised there is so much consensus for a fold here. If the hand was heads up with the whale I assume everyone agrees it would be at least a call, right? There are lots of hands a whale would bet and like that we're ahead of... Worse over pairs, flush draws, pair plus straight draws, etc.

I am concerned about the call and the player behind, but just thinking out loud here we're putting in 80 for a pot that would be 340 so assuming we always fold to additional action we would need it to check down and have us be good 23.5% of the time to make the call. That's ignoring our backdoor flush equity.

I think it's at least closer than the other posters are making it seem. A fold might be best, but a player with above average hand reading abilities might be able to profitably call and evaluate. I think there's a good chance we have the 23.5% equity, but the problem is equity realization and potential reverse implied odds if we have to call additional bets to get to showdown.

Given the varying definitions of "whale" on this forum, we might ask OP for more specifics about his read. But I'm willing to believe the read that the whale bets big when he likes his hand is very reliable. Regardless, I'm just looking at the action and configuration.

This board smashes our opponents' limping ranges. Any of them could have flopped 2P, a set, a straight, a flush draw, a combo draw, or a pair + a draw. The whale donked 80% pot, first to act, into four opponents, and the older / tighter fellow next to act calls off, bringing his investment in the pot to 1/3 of his starting stack, with three more opponents left to act behind him. It looks like UTG is going with his hand.

It seems all but guaranteed we're behind here. If we're up against 2P and a draw we need the draws to brick, and we need to spike one of 8 outs, and we won't always know which outs are good for us. We're drawing close to dead against sets and straights. Best case scenario we're up against two draws and just have to fade half the deck.

The path to victory in this hand looks pretty narrow, and fraught with peril.

The only relevant issue that hasn't been discussed is the OP's image to the Villains in the hand.

If the OP has an LAG/action image and is know to open wide, we may be over-folding here because the Vs may not be giving the OP much credit given the board texture. With a TAG/nit image, I think we can fold without too much regret.

Thanks all.

Results:

Hero folds. MP1 overcalls the $80.

Turn: Jx

SB checks, UTG rips $220, MP1 calls, SB folds

River is a brick..

UTG had J9o
MP1 had AKss

UTG scoops with a pair of jacks.

You had 29% OTF.

Well Played. This was close to the best you could hoped for, and you still didn't have great equity.

Well you can definitely adjust your read of UTG for next time. You had him labeled as "tight-ish" and he stacked off here with J9o.

It seems like the fold was likely still good, even though against their exact hands you were in decent shape.

This is kind of a classic live poker spot. I run into these types of spots all the time and it's frustrating when you fold the best hand. The problem is when you're behind you're way behind and drawing close to dead against something like a straight or set. When you're ahead you're not that far ahead and they're drawing live to a fair number of outs.

Against any one of your opponents you could likely stack off, but between all of them combined it's just too likely one of them has one of those nutted hands that has you drawing close to dead.