dumb turn bet gets me in trouble

If he's going to bomb all three streets, let him. Just call him down on most runouts. Also, you can check turn and see what $120 does, but, oops. As played, I probably call/evaluate depending on how aggro he is.

Please format HH correctly (I believe there is a sticky) and be sure to put pot amounts on each street.

Yeah, just call down. Don't make dumb turn bet.

Obviously, you shouldn't be done with QQ if you don't make a set 5-way.

I would bet the flop - as played yeh I don't like the turn donk. As played I would fold - I know hes LAG but you can easily have all the FH's with your lead and yet he raises you - either he's a maniac or is nutted. Would need more info to call.

It sucks that hero is 4 way, but the flop is dry. Hero is behind only the sets. I like a small bet to 30. Why give a free card to Kx and Ax?

Hero is probably not raising pre with 33 or 66, I can’t say for sure. I also doubt 99 takes this line on the flop and turn, putting us high in our range against someone described as lag. I think we should check call x3.

When you check the flop, it opens the door for the lag to bet thinking you have paint and missed. The turn donk is raised by A6 and you’re crushed or A9 because he still thinks you have paint. If you are a perceived nit, villain could be easily be trying to bluff you off your hand. He probably doesn’t expect you to call. If villain hit the flush draw with his ace, aggression seems possible.

Or villain hit a set, but he knows you’re likely to call because his image is loose and you have something. You did like I do and realized after the fact. This is a pot control spot with nothing but a big pair trying to get to showdown.

Math is not helpful as this has become a feel play now. Villain is polarized, but you are beating some of his value. If you call, he might check back the river with a pair of nines, but you have to expect a shove. Still, a lot of players will check back the river with most everything after you called the turn.

So, if you think villain will fire the river regardless, I think I would fold now. Not many river cards will improve your hand, & I’d rather get bluffed than lose my stack. However, against typical players calling the turn makes sense hoping to check down the river.

Well, you're definitely NOT done with this hand even if you don't flop a set.

I would bet this flop smallish, like ~25, with the intention of calling a raise from btn, in case. If btn raises and one of the blinds flat, then it becomes tricky, but that's not the case here, so let's move on.
As played, the call is standard (folding would be plain ridiculous).

The lead on this turn into two people seems indeed quite bad; it's hard to tell how btn may interpret this play, anyway he raises ... and now the spot becomes tricky.
Given how deep you are, I think you can call and check-evaluate river.
Imo, it is unlikely that V will blast off otr with too many bluffs, so I would expect it to go check-check fairly often.

Yeh I mean you could call this raise and call basically every river if you have a good read - I just think he'd have to be a maniac to make this a call down. Villain bet the flop 5 ways, we bet the turn 3 way and he raises knowing we are still uncapped. What could he really have? Even if you give him the following range we're 29% after calling the turn raise "99,66,33,A6s,67s,68s,69s,56s,78s,45s". You basically need him to have a really wide range here like T7s,T8s,etc which is asking a lot after he bet the flop 5 way.

Never donk. Check/call flop, check turn, call small, fold big. Once you lead, only better calls and worse folds. Burned EV.

As you note, H is deeeeeep. With a turn call, pot'll be 625 with still like 1125 back. How much should H be x-calling on river here? I'm honestly expecting anything from b50 to a b180 shove.

The turn raise'd be bigger if V realistically expected a fold, right? It's not quite javi's "postflop minclick of death," but it sure looks like a cousin.

I don't even know why this size either. Both are deep enough that a raise to 300-325 probably gets the same number of calls, and makes a river callable value bet much bigger.

results were i call, and c/f the T on the river when he bets $400, figuring his 78 got there or he had 6x or a set of 3's. in retrospect i think i compounded my bad turn bet with a worse turn call b/c it made the pot size too big to be callable vs. any decent river bet.

On this action you need to sometimes call that river given the direct odds. Even if its only 25% freq.

I may be biased by reading the hand reveal, but anyway.

The raise size is indeed weird, but I 'd say that this deep V is less incentivized to "trap"; if he wants to play for stacks, he should raise bigger.

Now, if the river completes the flush, we probably have to c/f.

On a blank river, we have to call sometimes, possibly up to ~b75, not much more I would say.
I mean, it takes a pretty special player to bluff otr for 200bb+ .

As for this specific runout, it's true that it completes the straight, but I am wondering if V could overplay T9, who knows ...

I think if we're calling the turn raise we've made the conclusion that the villain is a maniac and we should be calling basically every river. I don't think the villain is raising the turn with semi bluffs (78,FD's) as you are somewhat polar with your turn donk and he has position. I also think it's rare he has FD's as he bet 5 ways on the flop. The only street I liked was preflop - the rest I would do different on each

PRE - raise bigger? The $15 size is fine as a default, but when we're UTG and / or we see it's a splashy game, we can size up a little.

FLOP - I think we can just check this 9-high board and expect someone to stab at it often enough. If we want to c-bet to keep control of the pot, we can bet small, maybe a tad less than 1/3 pot.

His 1/2p bet seems overly large, such that alarm bells would be going off in my head. I wouldn't check-raise vs that sizing, so we're now in bluff-catching territory.

TURN - If he was fool enough to stab the flop with garbage, he should fold now, not raise. This small raise looks really milky and nutted. He's basically repping a boat or a huge combo draw.

I hate to do it, but I think I might be able to find a fold here, if only because I think even a LAG is more likely to take this line with thick value than a high equity draw.

If we call, I think maybe the correct approach to rivers is to check-fold if he bets big and bluff catch if he bets small.

Folding the flop is insane. Two pair combos shouldn't really exist so you are only losing to sets. Even if they have a set you have two outs to win their entire stack which has decent value here.

I prefer betting the flop, makes more sense to check with a hand like AA where you don't have to worry about as many bad turns if you want to keep more strong hands in your checking range.

Definitely should of checked the turn but as played a pretty gross spot. The small raise sizes are usually value but this is weird because I don't know what he thinks of your strange play in the hand.

If he knows you'll fold overpairs he can abuse you pretty hard because that means he's only worried about 99 and if u raise 66 then 1 combo of that.

I'd fold turn and definitely fold river unless there is a dynamic where you think he's trying to take advantage of that.