Another 1st hand spot - line check

Another 1st hand spot - line check

$1/2 $300 max. 8 handed. Midday Saturday.

Very 1st hand.

H MP $300 MAWG.

2 limps to H, sees ThTd. Makes it $15.

SB calls (30’s WG). Maybe just under $200?
UTG limper calls (late 50’s WG). Maybe a little over $200.

Flop ($42)
Tc6s2c

X,X H x ?

I feel like this was a a dry enough flop to check IP.

Turn ($42)
Tc6s2c Kh

Sb $10, UTG calls, H? Kh is a good card for both V’s calling pre range but is a better card for H’s perceived raise pre check flop range. The board is obviously getting wetter. Pretty much have to raise here or do we roll the dice and flat?

25 October 2025 at 05:48 PM
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flop check is bad just bet $15 and watch a least one player instacall with any pair and sometimes gutshots

sometimes someone will interpret your downbet as weakness and CR which is great of course

as played you have to raise to build the pot. make it like $40.


Why are we checking flop when we are in position???????
What's our cbet range??????????
If we were the first to act, I don't mind a check to check/raise or whatever. But in position seriously???


Grunch:

PRE - obviously raise. I don't know what the size should be. I'm starting to think that as a general heuristic, whatever rule we have for determining our "correct" open size when there are limpers, we should just go somewhat bigger, because the limpers always seem to over-call rather than over-fold.

FLOP - If we flopped top set with AA or KK, I'd be okay checking it back, especially if we were heads up. But with TT, multi-way, on a two-tone board, I think we can just come out and bet, and expect to get a lot more calls. I think we could probably bet $25 here, and at least one would call.

TURN - I think we have to raise. SB donking out on a disconnected high card suggests he either has KX, a flush draw, or was slow-playing something on the flop. Most of the range he's repping is going to be pretty inelastic, so I'd want to raise big, especially when UTG calls. I'd probably make it at least $70 or $80.

I'm not sure why you think the Kh is a better card for them than it is for us, or why you say the board is getting wetter. Are you thinking they have more Kx than we do, or that they have a lot of QJ combos that want to start a bet or call a bet here?

I definitely don't want to flat the turn when SB donks $10 into $42 after we flopped a set and checked back. We'd really like to either get stacks in now (though that seems unlikely), or set up a river jam on a brick.


I like the check on flop, but definitely punish the small lead on turn. You’re miles ahead.


I'd bet the flop. It doesn't hit what most people would think is part of your range. Definitely raising the turn. TP is not folding and may get frisky enough to re-raise.


I bet the flop. AP I raise the turn for sure.


Bet the flop! Would you check AA, AK, AT, JJ, even 99, etc.? Start building a pot.

Definitely raise the turn, but that K hits your range harder than it hits theirs, so not a lot they can call w/ unless you get lucky and they have KT (or even better, 66 or 22 😉 ).


I wouldn't mind the flop check if it was a rainbow flop, as you strongly block top pair.


The pot is missing some money on the flop. Are you subtracting the rake?

Anyway, I am betting on the flop and betting big. $25 or $30. I think the reasoning should be obvious but we have a huge hand, and one that might get costly if we are beat, so we want to protect it. And since we have the nuts we can get value from anything. We are also last to act, so we can't even induce any flop action by checking.

Clear turn raise to $80 as played.


Fine with mixing on the flop ... bet small or check. I doubt it matters much, the only real problem with checking is that V who has a random Ac or Kc will mostly fold to even a small flop bet but is likely to get to the river if turn is a club.

Turn 100% raise, think 40 is too small. 60 is probably fine, but it's possible you "should" go 80+ ... it's not like you are raising a lot of hands here.

Also worth noting now that _any_ non-pairing river makes a straight possible, so you definitely want random 97 to pay or fold the turn instead of shrug calling $10 for a shot at genius. Also difficult to see randoms folding correctly unless you go near $120.

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