Are you supposed to move all in here to protect your hand?

Fold pre. I can get behind an occasional 3bet instead with relevant reads and table dynamics.

I'm ripping the flop now, not so much for protection but to get paid off by overpairs when a 3rd ♠ or a 4 or 8 hits the board.

yes. easy jam. lol at "fold pre"

Fold pre is better.

Shove flop for value and protection. It is fine if you take it. An overpair is about 27% to win and a flush draw higher than that. You could also be shoving a draw. Hard for a big pair to fold, with pot odds, equity against 2-pair, and maybe being the favorite against a draw.

Flat calling would be terrible, with so many bad turn cards.

1. Fold pre, 75cc is borderline speculative.
2. Easy shove, you have less than a Pot Size raise left: 45 x 3 = 135 + 125 = 260. Shoving is also exactly what you would do with a draw.

All-in is slightly overkill. Raise to about 2.5–3x the $45 c-bet, then be happy getting it in vs any action. You’re ahead of a ton of hands but not invincible vs straights/sets, so don’t slowplay.

The problem with not folding pre-flop is playing a hand like this. Although shoving is a good plan, there are many ways you can be beat. If V has a big pair as it seems, he needs the board to pair & you’re counterfeited for your stack. This happens often.

Just saying small suited one-gapper out loud makes it hard me to understand calling an open & a 3bet. If you 3bet, I could get behind that planning to use position and bluff.

A big pair or any draw to the straight has at least 30% equity, while any draw to the flush has slightly more. But a flush & straight draw like Qs8s will win half the time.

As played, I would guess the solver backs a large bet on this dynamic board, so shove is good. However, if called - you probably lose more than you think.

I would suggest getting out of line preflop with Ax suited instead, in this situation where you can draw to the nuts. I guess this is the place where folks will disagree, but honestly, you won’t win in the long run playing hands like this regularly.

I would just shove

Just rip it. You’re not protecting, you’re printing vs his range. Any turn changes equities drastically so take it down or get it in now while ahead.

We're 70/30 against overpairs which is the bulk of BBs range. And if he has AJ-AKs we are still 60%+. I assume it isn't common for the BB to 3! pre, so his range doesn't include a ton of straight draws unless this is a notably spewy V. We can discount pretty much any hand that connects with this board in any way other than a big fd for the BB. I'd be concerned if BB raised and EP called/raised. But EP folded, so now our only fear is that SB wakes up with a monster or a really strong draw that we're basically flipping against. SB is the only player who might have just flopped a straight, set, or combo draw.

We're calling the 3! because if the BB is anything like the typical player at this level, he turned his cards face-up and we know we are playing against QQ-AA. We just outflopped QQ-AA huge and V probably isn't getting away from it. The only concern is that maybe SB has a monster. And if he does, we're drawing live and he probably doesn't so the math is a very easy shove.

Note that even if SB has exactly 8s9s and BB has AA, we have 21% equity, and there are a ton of very reasonable all-in hands SB could have where we're going 3-ways with 40%+ equity (Like A8ss). We're jamming for $260 to win $905 if it goes 3-ways. Against the likely ranges of a 3-way all-in, we have 30%+ equity. If we end up against just the BB, we are likely 60-70% equity.

We aren't jamming for protection, we're jamming for value against a V who probably can't fold his AA on the flop, but might if a scare card comes on the turn. If you think V is good enough to get away from AA/QQ here, then maybe you want to raise smaller. If you think V might fold an overpair, then raise to something like $100 and hope he tries to jam over you, or that the turn is non-threatening and you can get in the rest then. Our goal right now should be to get as much money in the middle as possible, as early as possible. I think the population is generally stacking off with any overpair here, they'll convince themselves that you are on a draw. But if the flush or another straightening card comes, some will start getting away.

just jam now

pre is bad this shallow. you arent deep enough to 3b and you arent deep enough to call, either, so just fold.

I probably fold pre once someone calls the 10$, I dont like playing hands like this that can be dominated and calling just invites it to go MW, I'm def folding to the 25. Once we see flop I'm shoving vs BBs obv OP.

I would fold initially preflop, but would probably call the tiny 3! as played.

Nevermind. I misread the pre-flop action.

Do we have any reads on BB? What about SB?

PRE - we should probably just fold the first time, and definitely fold the second time. We're not starting deep enough to want to eff around with middling suited gappers in a multi-way pot.

FLOP - I initially thought jamming would be a mistake, before I realized the BB was the 3B'er. It's actually a tough decision with the SB still in the hand. He could be sand-bagging with a monster.

I dunno. It's pretty close. I don't think it's terrible to jam. I don't think it's terrible to flat call. I think we're probably ahead of BB, but SB is still uncapped, so we don't really love any of our options.

The preflop cold call is bad enough that it can be challenging to beat this game doing this on the regular.

Assuming this is 1/2NL, facing the raise would be a close spot with 77, much less 75s.

Nothing wrong with flatting flop with top and bottom if you wanna get frisky (and I am a greedy li'l bitch myself.) Some runouts will slow the action, but you've got position and geometric size is <0.4 so we've got time to kill.

Depends on the opponent. Some people you just jam and lock down the (mild) cooler. Other people need more coaxing (and a little luck from the deck.) It can also depend on how likely SB is to contribute their donations to the cause.

I slept on this and I think the only times you're actually going to want to flat any hand that beats an overpair are when SB is enough of a donor to be worth leaving a piece a cheese for them.

1/3p raise is still an option for playing a little slower, especially with good-ole-fashioned top-and-bottom-with-BDFD.

Honest question - if hero flats, and SB raises, are we folding? What if hero flats and SB flats, we don't improve on the turn, and action checks to us? What are we doing if BB barrels?

My basic point is I wonder how often SB over-calls with a worse hand AND we somehow find our way to the river with the winning hand, whether we bet/call turn or check it back.

It feels like we're damned no matter what we do and what happens.