President Donald Trump

The craziest thing about this thread today, is... we even have AI to help with reasoning today. It's far superior to the average person's reasoning ability imho.

GTP prompt: Let's play some geopolitical war games. Say America falls as a democracy, and is no longer the current world empire. Who is the most likely candidate to become the next empire, and do you think based on their current domestic and international policies, they will be more benevolent than America? Please explain your answer and reasoning.

Likely successors (from most to least plausible)

China: “Primus inter pares” in a multipolar world

Assets: sheer economic scale, industrial depth, manufacturing control, tech catch-up, blue-water navy growth, Belt & Road leverage, ability to mobilize state capacity quickly.

Liabilities: aging demographics, capital controls, fragile property/credit sectors, limited trusted alliances, neighbors that balance against it (India, Japan, Australia, Vietnam), dependency on imported energy/food via chokepoints.

Benevolence forecast: Lower than the U.S. model. Domestic governance is authoritarian with expansive surveillance and weak protections for civil liberties; externally, influence often pairs finance with political conditions and opaque contracts. Expect tighter information controls, standards that privilege state power, and less tolerance for dissenting states.

Would the next order be more benevolent?

Using four yardsticks—individual rights, transparency, consent-based alliances, and openness of trade/finance—a China-tilted system is likely less benevolent than the U.S.-led one. The American order has had grave failures (covert wars, coups, sanctions overreach), yet it also embedded relatively open capital flows, multilateral institutions, judicial recourse, and a thick alliance network where partners can and do say “no.” China’s model privileges state primacy, information control, and bilateral dependency, with fewer external checks.

you know the answer to this

How do you figure food aid, contraceptives, and education cause deaths?

My buddy works for a company that is contracted by US Aid and his current contract is distribution of HIV medicine in Haiti.

They are currently being paid their contract amount to let said HIV medicine rot in a warehouse where it will either spoil or get stolen by gangs

Vic, it's not as if I don't get your position. I do. When I was a teen I was an American anti-imperialist, Noam Chomsky, Arundhati Roy reading mofo that thought very similar. But then I grew up, traveled a lot, read more, reflected more, and evolved my views and positions over time.

Maybe consider, for a second, that your positions aren't correct? You're in a thread of your peers who have mostly all been trying to point out the flaws in your reasoning. Do you even consider they might be closer to correct than you?

I can probably answer this for Vic.

He's going to say something to the effect that American soft power, and it's tentacles of control over other nations, ends up causing more interventionist harm via proxy wars and political meddling, than feeding starving kids, vaxes, health care, etc...

Speaking of... we're probably going to war w/ Venezuela, or at the very least, going to commit a coup. It's looking more and more like that by the day.

The peace president will be at it again.

its funny bc I used to be a Dem supporter but then I watched them support mass murder all over the world.

America being on top is better for everyone. That’s why the countries that support America have more freedom and wealth on average than the countries that hate America.

It’s like a metaphysical law that being anti-America ****s up your country.

This links into another thread, where you have really poor reasoning, though. Your views on Israel/Palestine... I'm not sure how a lot of those are allowed honestly on this forum.

Republicans, apparently, do less of this in your mind somehow.

So any ways... thanks for the chat.

LogicByVictor is absolute fun to watch and I’d be more worried if I thought his sphere of influence was more than Victor

‘Look, are the republicans an active force for evil? Yes. But I’ve decided you guys are sheep about the Dems and their active force for good so I have decided you guys and you guys alone should be ridiculed and defeated. It’s your fault the republicans are an active force for evil im ok with’

You remember when the dems did this... those silly evil rascals. This is the American congress fearing the American President is accumulating weapons banned from war by international law in order to launch attacks on US cities and US citizens.

ICE Stockpiling Warheads and Chemical Weapons as Lawmaker Fears Trump Planning Strike

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-stockpiling-warheads-and-chemical-weapons-as-lawmaker-fears-trump-planning-strike/

The Daily Beast

ICE Is Stockpiling Warheads and Chemical Weapons

Shoutout trump on this stupid ass ballroom

1. Costing $200 mil
2. FuLlY FuNdEd By DoNoRs
3. Was never gonna touch the White House

To now being:

1. $300 mil minimum
2. lol
3. Demo crews on sight

Btw can’t possibly find money to give illegals health care or something

Edit: and lol this monstrosity is gonna be bigger than the White House itself

Cool

I mean, I am pretty consistent that mass murder and plunder is bad. you are pretty consistent in thinking its good if white people or their proxies do it. we both have consistent reasoning and logic. but, we just have different values.

America first bucko

Except I don't think that, because it's ridiculous. However, you continue to say this dishonestly.

Back to ignore.

its really weird to support the USA and Israel and think you dont support mass murder and plunder. in fact, its very inconsistent. its nonsensical.

Before this is done all of DC will be covered in gold foil.

You would have to show that counterfactually, America causes more mass murder than if another country was in power. What little we saw of soviets and chinese maoists having a sphere of influence, we found that to not be the case. Then you can also look at what happens when other countries are in power over pro-Western ideologies and continue to see this not be true. And you can even see what happened in Europe when the totality of the European sphere of influence was greater.

So it’s not inconsistent at all. Supporting the West, particularly the Americans dominating over everyone else, is being against mass murder. Supporting the Soviets (as you do) is being pro-mass murder.

We will probably see what China looks like as the global super power in our lifetimes so if 2p2 is still around we can all come back and have a wank

But its pretty objective that the last 80 years have been some of the most peaceful in all of human history while under the US empire.

I dont think that Iraqis, Vietnamese, Koreans, Central Americans, Yemenis, Palestinians, Somalis, Afghanis, Columbians, Indonesians, East Timorese would agree.

Libyans, Lao, Cambodians, Syrians, Cubans, Russians, Congans

Burkina Faso, Chile, Grenada, Yugoslavia

and I havent even looked any up yet so I am sure I am missing like 20 more.

Did you miss the part about counterfactuals? You’d actually have to show that they would have been better off with someone else as the dominant global power.