GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

MJ has a 0-2 record against the Celts (0-6 in games).

MJ has a 0-1 record against the Bucks.

The team leader in scoring gets credit for the development, and AD was the scoring leader or co-leader from 20-25'... Among co-leaders, AD gets credit over Lebron because Austin's stats crater alongside Lebron (for obvious reasons).. Meanwhile, MJ didn't have a co-leader and therefore gets full credit for the development of Pippen/Grant/BJ/Oakley/Vincent/Woodridge

^^^ with no all-star teammates and a 1st year team.

Otoh, Lebron had all-star teammates and WAS FAVORED when he lost to the Wolves, Mavs or Magic (teams he never beat).

And imagine if MJ got 3 seasons to develop the Bulls into a high seed before entering his first playoffs like Lebron in 06'.. Since lebron's first playoff teams were high seeds, he never had a low seed until he went out West.. And the low seeds were 1st Round losers in 21', 24' and 25' just like Jordan's low seeds, except Lebron had veterans and all-stars, while Jordan was a rookie with no help.

^^^ Lebron's veteran super-teams lost by more

Accordingly, history shows that when MJ returned from injury in 1986, he lifted a 30-win team to a higher level of basketball than Lebron's super-teams played in the 14', 17', or 18' Finals (record losses).

Btw, when has anyone been forced to carry a 30-win team in the playoffs?? It's literally the worst team in playoff history, yet MJ still nearly won a game by breaking the scoring record.

Magic and Bird struggled mightily and needed super-teams to barely hang with the Bad Boys, while MJ made them obsolete the instant he got 1 all-star - it was a piece of f'ing cake the instant he got a fraction of the help that Magic or Bird had.

Essentially, Jordan never lost when he had help - the instant he got an all-star, he didn't lose 3 straight games for 9 years (90-98')... This is one of the craziest records in sports

Otoh, Lebron's list of debacles mostly includes all-star teammates and often MULTIPLE all-stars... Despite this extra help, Lebron's list of debacles is much longer and more frequent, and far more severe... Lebron lost a bunch as the preseason favorite, series favorite, top seeds or with Finals teams (MJ is undefeated in these scenarios)

you always told us all star and trophies means nothing...

doesnt matter.
you are the one that claims pippen grant rodman and others are garbage...
MJ had nothing and won all by himself...
well explain why here he had nothing and not only he couldnt won a serie, he couldnt won a damn game !
why ?

what an accomplishment, mj almost won 1 game , amazing...

But you keep saying pippen sucks and almost every player could replace him but here you say look, mj just needed 1 all star ?

wtf you saying ?
pippen was actually an all star player ?
im confused...

remember pippen and all other teamates of mj sucked ...

LeBron developed AD from a lottery franchise player into a champion.

Ditto Irving.

Why do you keep bringing up LeBron. I was just stating facts about MJ.

Fun that you included years MJ didn't even play. Fun fact.. LeBron didn't lose 3 straight between 90 and 98 either.

I'm not that surprised that he didn't lose 3 in a row with a super-star team in a water-downed league with a commissioner that told the refs that MJ winning was good for basketball.

AD is the first player in history to arrive on a lottery team and turn them into champion in 1 year.. It's a goat season.

Unfortunately, he gets no credit due to LePropaganda and fake media narratives.

AD led on both sides of the ball all year while also dominating the Joker, and then he spotted the Lakers a 2-0 lead in the Finals - this would get FMVP for every other player in history except Lebron's teammate.. Heck, if the Heat won in 2011, they would've figured out a way to give FMVP to Lebron over Wade.

Ultimately, teammates dominated in Lebron's biggest series... For example, when Lebron finally got past his bully (the Celtics),, Wade led the Heat in PPG and APG during the 11' ECF... Similarly, AD dominated Jokic and hit the game-winner, while Kyrie did the same to Curry .. Only Lebron had teammates dominate league MVP's, such as Wade outplaying Dirk, or Kyrie and AD dominating Jokic and Curry.. Overall, Lebron played with 6 guys that had their own team (franchise players), which is the most help ever (Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD, Luka)

Because Lebron did far worse than the things you say about Jordan

Why would you say "Jordan did this", when you know that Lebron did much worse

Lebron lost 3 straight games in the 07' Finals, 10' ECSF, 14' Finals, 15' Finals, 17' Finals, 18' Finals, 21' 1st Round, 23' WCF, and 25' 1st Round .... And many times in the regular season.

Meanwhile, MJ didn't lose 3 straight from 90-98'

So Lebron is a complete fraud and a JOKE compared to Jordan.. You should feel very embarrassed and dumb for falling for the fraud and a perennial, catastrophic loser

The Bulls were a 1-man team:

CAREER FINALS

Jordan...... 34 ppg... 6.0 apg... 2.8 TO.. 48%
Pippen..... 19 ppg... 5.9 apg... 3.3 TO.. 42%


CAREER PLAYOFFS WITH BULLS

Jordan...... 33 ppg... 5.7 apg... 3.1 TO.. 49%
Pippen..... 18 ppg... 5.3 apg... 2.9 TO.. 45%

That's why MJ is goat

So having an all stars it’s still a 1 man team for you ?
You said it yourself , as soon mj got a all star…

Example:

There are 3 teams that Lebron never beat (TWolves, Mavs, Magic), and he lost to all 3 as a favorite with all-star teammates.

There are 2 teams that Jordan never beat (Celtics, Bucks), and he lost as a massive underdog with no all-star teammates

Lebron had all-star in 2005, 2009 and 2018, yet many people feel they were 1 man teams..

MJ won 6 chips in 7 seasons with those type of rosters, while Lebron gave up on his 60-win, 7th Year, organic juggernaut in 2010.

Btw, it's funny how it took 7 years to give up in the East and only 1 year to give up on Ingram and company out West.. In hindsight, it was a stacked roster of Ingram, Kuzma, Caruso, Zubacs, KCP, Hart, Rondo and more

Ultimately, the 2nd "star" benefits from the winning spotlight of a mature team and great 1st option..

We know that career 2nd options like Pippen, Klay, Manu, Parker, Pau, Worthy, Dumars and others needed titles to get All NBA - 2nd options literally need winning spotlight to be seen as All NBA caliber, while 1st options make All-NBA with barely .500 or even losing teams

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PLAYOFF RECORD AGAINST

1) 5-11 vs Spurs

2) 7-15 vs Warriors

3) 5-10 vs Nuggets

^^^ 17-36 vs ball movement systems, aka hybrids of the 90's Bulls' triangle

4) 2-4 vs Magic

5) 2-4 vs Mavs

6) 1-4 vs TWolves

^^^ Never won a series against 3 different teams, and lost to all 3 as a big favorite.

In contrast to Lebron being everyone's b*tch despite having preseason favorites or series favorites, Jordan only has a losing playoff record against 3 teams, and he was the big underdog each time with no all-star teammates.

Btw, I didn't even include the Celtics, who locked up Lebron in 08' and 10' (upset win in 2010)

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All-star teammates:

2009 MO.............. 17.2 PER...... #3 team defense
1990 PIPPEN....... 16.5 PER.... #19 team defense

^^^ Lebron started with better help on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles.... aka Jordan won the next year while Lebron choked for 2 more years

Mo also had higher BPM, WS/48, VORP, PPG and efficiency.

Furthermore, the Cavs added a better scorer than prime Pippen in 2010 to be 3rd option (Jamison), while still maintaining better defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls, aka better help on both sides of the ball.

Lebron simply gave up on his 7th year organic juggernaut a year early, since there was a 1-star organic chip up for grabs in 2011 that Dirk grabbed... But the Cavs would've had the long-standing chemistry and defense that the Heat lacked to easily beat the Mavs.

Btw, in addition to Mo and Jamison - Zydrunas and Hughes were also better than 1990 Pippen across the board

Are you suggesting ad without LeBron would have made the lakers champion ?
Fwiw LeBron finish with more prs,rbn,assist, better FG% but uts clearly AD that deserve the mvp ?

But mj did lose prior 3 games with a bad team shrug .
You bring up sone funny sample with 2015 final for example …

And you do too .
So mj wasn’t a 1 man team then ?
You can’t take both side …

U admit yourself , mj start winning only when he had an all star .
He lost every time he didn’t ….

So pick a side and stick to it .
Do all stars mean something or not ?

U say LeBron sucks because he couldn’t win with one all stars in Kevin love but you claim pippen sucks being an all stars too ?
And u disregard the fact the level lebron played against in 2018 .
Which mj wouldn’t never of won with only pippen …
You really suggesting mj would have beat the 80s Celtics, lakers and pistons with just bad pippen ?
Pippen sucks isn’t he ?