Nevada allows casinos to move high-buyin poker operations from poker rooms intoto Gaming Salons

Here is the thing. I think it is in the best interest of everyone (except cheaters) to do everything possible to move high limit games from being private and into the casino.

This means better money laundering triggers, less cheating, and more transparency. For the life of me I cannot think of a counterargument to why games should stay private and not be played in a casino.

Because that's what the players want.

I think that is what some players want and others go along because they don't want to play at a table full of high limit pros.

What are the advantages of purely private games over private casino run games? I can only think of a few:

1. Easier to cheat if that is your ball of wax.
2. Prostitution is easier to use to draw players.

What else?

I am sure a vast majority of purely private games are higher raked so cost isn't really a factor.

I have played in private games at the Wynn that take $175 every half hour. That includes any expected dealer tip. In return all of the players are guaranteed casino quality game integrity, free drinks, access to high quality food, massage people, etc. The players have total control of the game. They can move the blinds as they wish and run it however they like.

For slightly more, it can be a very private salon game. If the gaming board eventually loosens restrictions in can be even more private in a suite.

Why play anywhere else? What is the draw?

This is great news, can’t wait to not play.

How is it easier to cheat? Why would casino integrity go away?

Is it easier for some gazillianair betting a million a hand to cheat when he's off in some private room firing away than it would be if he was on the main floor?

Not everyone playing for big money has a desire to be seen and filmed by everyone in a poker room.

Sure for some people their brand is high stakes gamblers. For others who made their money doing other things they don't want the attention and it can even be detrimental to their brand.

I don't understand. I am genuinely confused. I think we are either talking past each other or saying the same thing.

I am saying that I think it is better for almost everyone to bring more poker games out of the shady private (i.e. non-casino) environment into the regulated casino environment. So regulatory agencies should be looking to make it easier for casinos to host private games. Whether this is at a table at the back of a poker room, in the high limit area of the casino, or in a truly private room suite of the hotel.

Players are more likely to be cheated in a non-casino game than in a casino game.

Right now, in many jurisdictions, it is difficult for a bunch of players to have a private, controlled game in a casino where they can dictate who plays and what the rules are. It can be done, but there are lots of hurdles that need to be jumped through.

My position is that as many of these hurdles as possible should be eliminated. Regulatory agencies are overburdening these games with hoops because they are concerned about money laundering in these type of games and are missing the forest for the trees. These games are going to happen regardless. Better they happen in a casino than in some random warehouse.

The games JimL is talking about are off the floor away from the general public.

I know.

What's that got to do with game integrity?
Why would that mean those people want to cheat?

Like I said it's no different than a bacc whale wanting to fire away in private.

Because it is harder to hide money laundering, the embezzlement to fund the bets, and use of the game to pay bribes, etc. Look at crypto and realize the key function is to facilitate crooked transactions.

JimL is saying it is better if non casino, iow underground or home games are moved into casino private salons. He is saying that cheating is easier in these underground games.

He is not saying the casino salon games are easier to cheat than main floor games. Quite the opposite.

I don't think you are understanding what I am saying.

I am saying there is many orders of magnitude of cheating going on in a private game held in a waterfront warehouse hosted by a guy named Vinny than in a casino. Even if that private casino game is held in a casino suite far from the general casino floor.

That is what I meant by game integrity.

Sure there will always be players who do not want to play in a casino simply because the government will know what they are doing because the stakes are high enough to trigger reporting thresholds.

My point was that regulatory agencies are missing the forest through the trees. They are overregulating casinos to the point that these games are pushed underground but are still happening. So their regulations are protecting no one and in fact encouraging all sorts of shenanigans by the Vinnys on the waterfront people.

I think poker regulations need to be rethought to encourage more games to happen in the casino environment rather than the wild.